Khyber53

Fitter-magic! Can somebody just pull the lever and flush this regime? We're stuck with Tepper but surely we can move on from this set of failed experiments, hopefully a little wiser now.

Tepper's brass balls were bought on Sharper Image and it shows.

I don't think much will help this franchise until there's a regime change.

Mills, not Darnold, you dolt.

There sure are a lot of things Tepper says/wants that haven't come to fruition. Might be a good thing that he's full of hot air. Maybe some of the important stuff will remain here.

Mayfield will also be playing angry from all reports.

Both these guys are coming from programs where they proved they can succeed in the NFL, both are also coming in from offseason shoulder/arm surgeries. Both were replaced by high draft pick QBs and both came from some of the most competitive divisions in the league. I'm going to postulate that one of these guys is going to play lights out when they come back. Not like Drew Brees heading to New Orleans, but potentially like a Ryan Tannehill in Tennessee. If we caught that guy and had that success, then it would be great. The problem is, which one of the guys? If you get the one, then it's better than a draft pick QB. If you get the wrong one, you're probably stuck again like we've been since Cam's shoulder went out.

Any one of which would be an upgrade here. Look, I'm not a huge Jimmy G fan, but it would probably (probably) be an improvement for us. Still, with this coaching staff, they could turn Drew Brees (2012-ish vintage say) into a five win, 20 TD, 12 INT QB. No matter who we get to play QB, if the coaches can't call a pro-level game, then it doesn't matter.

Sheesh, wouldn't it be nice to just have play off stats? It's been a long time since we've had any here.

Honestly, I felt that Garoppolo had tremendous upside as a trade. He's a winner, if not a spectacular star guy, and he brings a good set of skills to the table. He's also been part of two successful programs and that helps in the locker room. And then there was the shoulder surgery. And no one knows what we'll have after the fact. He might be fine. He might even be better. Or he could be like Cam and just the husk of the QB he used to be and an actual liability in the passing game. Whereas I might have been hopeful if he'd been the QB pick up before, now I'm really worried that he might be and that we'd be hamstrung by the trade and another broken QB who isn't up to snuff.

After the draft, the prices on QBs like Baker and Jimmy will come down immensely. And I still hope we hold off. I don't think we should allow a coach fighting for his job to endanger future drafts.

Honestly, we should have just kept Taylor Heinicke and skipped the whole Teddy and Sammy show and built the o-line. We wouldn't have been any worse off.

Just thinking the same thing this morning. It is imminently harder to find and snag a Jake Delhomme than it is to find a Cam Newton type. Both are unicorns in their own way, but the Newtons are so incredibly obvious that no one could miss on picking them. Delhommes, well, they're out there, sitting on someone's bench, doing great in preseason and just waiting for their chance. I keep thinking there's got to be one somewhere...

I believe that even if they put him out there, they won't fully believe he can do it. And that'll affect play calling. And that will affect quarterbacking. And that will affect winning.

And processing speed. The game is too fast and too complex at this level for all but a handful of human beings at this time. Toughest position to play on any team sport and for good reason.

I wish you were wrong, but there's a lot of truth to this. And I'm not sure that Lawrence will ever pan out. Just too many question marks about coaching and the team around him there. I think out of the whole bunch, Mac Jones found himself in the best spot and will probably have the best career. (Yes there was that single digit pass attempts game, but that was also the game plan due to the weather).

Those are some historically bad franchises at the top of the draft capital chart. There's a definite correlation between draft resources and the inability to make use of them. The Giants shows how fast a team can fall from the heavens and become bottom dwellers.

I know, I know, I know, Fit is an independent genius saddled with Rhule, yadda yadda. I'm not impressed by what he's done, either independently or dependently of Rhule. He's just Gettleman who wouldn't be caught dead at a yard sale and lower riding shorts. Let's see if he can turn four picks into 14 this year and still manage to not grab a 17-game starter. Edit to add: Let's make it easier, just an 8 game starter.

Honestly, last year we were all saying QB or OT. And they went with DB, a good guy, but on offkey pick. So, this year, we're all saying OT or that they probably will instead choose a QB... so... so... so... It could be anything. And then there will be a flurry of trading by our team that nets us a lot of "hey, look at what we dids" in the preseason and a bunch of mehs on the field during the real season, only to find out we've mortgaged the future again. Remember, these are the guys who happily went to the podium with a pick of a LONG SNAPPER in the 6th round last year. And then they put him "injured" reserve to stash him away from being poached I guess... Between Rhule and Fit, I'm getting tired of their antics.

Let's see if the USFL makes it through a full slate of games before we decide they'll be setting the standard for the NFL.

The person picked on draft night has only a bit to do with their own success as a LT, in my opinion. The skills they developed, physical abilities they possess, their football IQ and competitive spirt are then tied in with someone else's offensive philosophy, the quality of the other linemen they work with, play designs, quality and awareness of the QB and even which division they will play in. A great candidate is going to look like a bust if his QB is a nervous nelly like Jimmy Claussen, or if his matching guard plays like a worn out sock, or if the offensive coordinator uses concepts from a 1982 JuCo playbook. What if the team's trainers aren't up to snuff and a minor injury becomes a re-occuring, nagging problem. Or just the whims of fate and physical contact end up Jeff Otah'ing a guy out of the league. I just couldn't hazard a guess as to which of the big target LTs in the draft would make it work here. I can look at them statistically, or based on conformation or based on past game play and say I think Ickey Ekwonu would be the guy I'd put my money on, but knowing how these things go, I wouldn't put a lot of money on him, or anyone, being the unicorn guy we're hoping for. Too many other factors at the moment. And I don't believe in our coaching. Still, the next HC might be able to correct any issues. Who knows?

I know, I'm just yanking your chain.

Sam Darnold had a bad staff around him. But Sam showed he was special at times last year. Which is what is making us stick with him for another year, sadly (that and being on the hook for his salary anyway).

There's always Dock Ellis and his alleged no-hitter while on LSD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_Ellis

We may have dodged a bullet there.