Khyber53

This is a massive deal right now. Investment groups buying up real estate left and right have been a major factor in our country's inflation and housing crisis. And they are making money hand over fist by then renting the properties out to people who no longer have a choice but to rent. They really found a barrel and just put everyone else over it. And the insurance rate hike, in great part, is to cover the asses of those invested in this. And we must also remember that of any group in the US, the insurance industry has traditionally owned more real estate than any other group... including more than actual real estate developers. It's not that the fix is in, it's that there's always another fix being found to do us in with. I believe in capitalism but I believe it requires a cop on the beat to work properly. They bought the cops around here a long time ago.

It was frikkin' epic!

Also, we shouldn't forget that Fitterer was trying his best to get in on each of those deals, too... And yes, the Bryce pick was possibly a bust of epic, legendary proportions. We'll know next season. Might as well hope he magically improves and gains an inch or two in height, it's not like we haven't managed to get ourselves mightily stuck here.

Mike Lynn, Minnesota Vikings. On Oct. 12, 1989 he traded with the Dallas Cowboys to get Herschel Walker. Minnesota received Herschel Walker, a 1990 3rd round pick from the Dallas Cowboys, a 5th round pick from the San Diego Chargers (because the RB that Minnesota sent to Dallas, Darrin Nelson, wouldn't play for Dallas so they sent him to San Diego in exchange for their 5th rounder), the Dallas 1990 10th round pick (10th round... those were the days), AND Dallas' 3rd round pick in 1991. Here's what they gave away for it: Darrin Nelson (see above), Minnesota's 1st and 2nd round picks in 1990, their 6th round pick in 1990, Minnesota's 1st and 2nd round picks in 1991 AND THEN their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for 1992. They also gave them four players, each of whom became some of the aforementioned draft picks when they were cut from the team. Herschel would go on to have the second biggest failure of his career (counting the ill-advised run for Senate in Georgia as the worst), Minnesota would be relegated to more than a decade of decline and degradation, while Dallas would go on to parlay those picks into even more picks and grab players like Emmitt Smith and Darren Woodson. Fitterer was bad and was regularly played for the sucker by other GMs, but no one has been taken advantage of like Mike Lynn before or since. Then there's the guy who traded everything for Russell Wilson to go to Denver, or the guy who gave up everything to get Deshaun Watson in Cleveland and maybe the guy who got suckered into taking Aaron Rogers to the Jets. There's always someone worse. It's just that Fitterer was our fool and that makes it hurt more.

Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield are all still in contention to get Super Bowl rings this season (albeit two are back ups) while every single person that was part of the Panthers this season is either working on vacations or brushing up their resumes. We've had problems here for five years and have managed to run a team into the ground. The three QBs I mentioned have found freedom and purpose out there. I can only hope that we can somehow make that our environment here this next time around. Hoping the same, again. Or we go back into the pit of despair, again.

I was really into the USFL on it's first run in the '80s, but I was just like in my early teens. I followed the Breakers as they went from Boston to Portland to New Orleans. Was really hoping we would get a team in NC and even had one of the hoodie t-shirts promoting it. And then splat, it just crashed and it was all over.

If he were the only case... but he's not and there's a lot of work that needs to be done to right these old wrongs.

You've got to start with there's a big question at QB right now. You get to decide how to handle it. Then step back and let them. They can keep trying to develop Bryce, they can look for a free agent or they can use any draft pick we have on a candidate. Let the coach decide that.

Seems to be my story with this for a long time. I always start watching it, try to pick a team and then just get bored with it. The play level is usually pretty bad.

Yes. Perhaps. Nope. Your offered opinion earlier shows you really do need some answers. So here they are, pertaining to this. One guy made it to the playoffs, where the Dolphins died in the cold. The other guy got to watch the game from home and has been left wondering if his team will draft his replacement this coming season.

As we had to keep pointing out a few years back... there's a massive difference between football on the field and Madden in your mom's basement.

In no way, shape or form is this correct.

The point. We've been missing the point of being a football team. We've gone soft, we don't know how to win, we don't know how to even evaluate players anymore. We've missed the point of the whole damn game.

I love the guy's energy and enthusiasm and knowledge of the game. He's had both success and failure at both the college and pro levels. He gets the most out of his players and they'd run through brick walls for him. If he was 62 instead of 72 I'd be pounding the drum to bring him here. But let's be real. We are going to take years to fix, years that Pete may or may not have left in him for coaching. He needs to stay there and help mold that team for the future or go somewhere a quick turnaround is possible, like with the Chargers or Falcons. Here, well, there's going the be some back-breaking work to dig this franchise out of the manure pile it has found itself under. We need a middle aged coach that understands what he has to deal with, how it has to be done and can somehow make that happen while making the team owner think that it was all the owner's doing. If any of you run across a guy like that, preferably one with on-field AND coaching experience, let me know. I heard Ted Lasso is free next season if not...

Sell the team for $6 billion, buy the best box in the stadium and just enjoy the games worry free. The more we have, the less we need to ask of life.

No reason whatsoever to hold onto anything from this past season. Being the shiniest turd in the pile is no resume` builder.

Really and truly, Delhomme would have run us to the Super Bowl again. He was stellar that season and had one great team around him. Then Jonathan Vilma's helmet...

I sat through each of them and it's a progression of bad to worse to worst in chronological order. 2001 was competitive and we were still trying to get to parity with other NFL teams and shaking off our expansion tag. 2010 was a lameduck season with a coach being made to finish out his contract. This year, this year was a special kind of suck. A combination of poor coaching, years of bad team building, over-reach in drafting, poor drafting for three years and a spate of injuries. Woof. That was a dog of a season. 2023 has been the worst so far of the bunch. We can only hope that 2024 doesn't set a new mark for futility and frustration. Remember, this has been Tepper trying to fix the team for three tries so far...

I wouldn't choose him, but at this point, can it get worse? Or could it just keep going like it has been until we are the new version of the Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns and Arizona/St.Lous/Chicago/Boston Cardinals. Sad days, indeed. Looks like the rain won't let up for a while.

Best of luck to him, but honestly I'm glad we're moving on. These three years with him have been soul-crushingly bad for this franchise. Maybe we will get lucky and find a new wunderkind out there. What we have in house in management and evaluation has proven to be terrible. The whole thing needs to be jettisoned, the ground burned, soil turned and new seed planted.

I really like Ron Rivera. I think he's a good man to build team spirit and instill a toughness to a team. I hope he takes some time off, enjoys his life and family. I really think his calling would be in a senior defensive advisor role on a team with a young head coach. I wish him the best. And it was great seeing John Fox out there on the sidelines in Detroit yesterday. Another good guy who had some good runs as HC and has moved on successfully to that advisory type position.

I know. He assisted us into this mess of a roster. Let's clean the whole house, not just the crusties left beside the wastebin.

Bring him into the office and lay this on the table: One year contract at $11 million. Sign it and we try to trade you. You get a prove it year with a good paycheck somewhere with a chance to extend that contract there if you play up to their wants. If not, just let him go and accept the third round compensatory pick and wish him the best.

Besides the Carolina connection from his playing days, why? Remember to include his successes as an executive here in your answer.

20-odd years without a shutout loss. Second longest streak in the NFL. We finish this turd of a season off with two back to back shut-outs.