kungfoodude

Nah. Aslin is from VA and Other Half is from Brooklyn.

I don't think it makes sense to trade for a QB unless it is an elite guy like Watson or an established and proven veteran like Stafford. Trading for a bad contract on a "damaged goods" guys like Wentz or Darnold just seems like throwing good money after bad money. I am all for signing one of those types in a free agency scenario where you can at least negotiate a decent deal but why gamble with draft picks and lose by getting saddled with a contract potentially worse than Teddy's?

It's actually funny how heavily weighted the league's new crop of elite or potentially elite QB's are towards the past 5 years of the draft.

That isn't my biggest point. And by the time that everyone playing now retires, he will have long since been up for HOF consideration. It's only a five year window before that happens. If you want points, he's fifth all time in passing yardage, fifth all time in passing TD's, twelfth all time in passing rating, 14th all time in completion percentage, 12th all time in game winning drives, 10th all time in 4th quarter comebacks, 8 Pro Bowls but....yeah....I guess he really never did anything, right? To even say he hasn't had a career worthy of HOF consideration is utterly ridiculous. His accomplishments aren't diminished because the league has had multiple HOF caliber QB's playing over the past 20 years any more than the other candidates would be. If you want the knocks against him, they would be the same as Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly or any number of other HOF QB's that either had little playoff success or never won a Super Bowl.

That isn't choking someone out. This is choking someone out:

Yeah, the only possible scenario I see Watson here is in the forced trade, single team force scenario. In that world, perhaps we can get Houston to blink and give us a little bit more of a reasonable trade deal but I think we are talking about less than 1% likelihood of that kind of thing transpiring. For me, the Watson scenario has just been great fodder for discussion, so I am happy to have it for that reason alone. I am sure it will be an anticlimactic resolution in comparison to the debate surrounding where he could go.

I think he basically means fresh thinking, outside the box and more of a purpose with the franchise and it's decisions for the future. Goal-oriented, that kind of thing. It's just tech world buzzword poo. He just means doing something other than we have for the previous 25 seasons.

Yeah, I pointed out yesterday that if we were to give up players that they would likely want, it's going to be difficult pills to swallow, like Brian Burns or DJ Moore not bloated contracts like CMC or Teddy Bridgewater. I am not against trading a bunch of picks for Watson but I also am very well aware of that no-trade clause and I am not envisioning a scenario in which Watson would want to come to Carolina. Right now our biggest asset to offer is the receiving corps(which we might have to give up some of) and pitch of the "building for the future" of a franchise. If I were Deshaun Watson, why would I want to go to a franchise mired in rebuilding that might have to give up enough assets that make the rebuild much more difficult? If I get to be Deshaun Watson in that scenario? Give me the 49ers, the Dolphins or maybe the Colts. That's about all I would be interested in.

And this is how we determine HOF careers now?

You are awful definitive about something you have no idea whether it is or isn't going to happen. TB may not be here next year, at all. New front office is in place and Rhule and Co. may decide to cut their losses with a guy that the previous GM unsuccessfully staked his future here on.

Listen, you are asking me to fix the fact that you are an idiot. That is just simply outside my abilities to remedy.

I have no expectations on what will or won't happen. If I had to bet on the most likely scenario right now? He'll be playing football for the Houston Texans in 2021.

Given how all caps he got, I am assuming Stafford bored out his sister or wife or sister/wife.

Well, let's say we hypothetically still have our first round draft pick and STILL take a QB in the draft. Maybe not a reasonable scenario but a possible one. Like I said, I wouldn't pass judgement on what we are going to do until I see what the plan is. Then we can debate whether or not we agree with the direction. Me personally? I have always liked Stafford and I'd be glad to have him, as long as we don't sell the farm to get him.

Yeah but we also have no idea about what the scenario is going to be. Perhaps he loves Saleh and wants the Jets or no one? Or maybe Miami? It's kind of absurd for people(including OP) to be so definitive about a scenario that is entirely theoretical. It's like trying to solve for a multi-variable equation with only one factor known. Conventional wisdom would dictate that Watson's value should be historically high. But that is also not factoring in that he has a no-trade clause, that's not factoring in how long the Texans take to blink(imagine a world where they don't blink until after the 2021 Draft and now teams have established QB positions), that's not factoring in the unknown salary cap for 2021 due to COVID, that's not factoring in the fact that this is the Texans and perhaps they are just fuging stupid and bungle this. I don't think you can say with any certainty what will or won't happen. Too many factors involved.

Not to mention 5th all time in career passing yardage in NFL history.

I am open to whatever works, essentially. Obviously the preference would be to snag a QB in this draft that inevitably becomes "The Guy" and we ride off into the sunset with our new franchise QB. However, we all know that drafting a QB is a crapshoot, hence the reason why we have only had one in our entire franchise history. So that rookie to build around may also be the thing that sets us back on the path to RE-rebuilding if we don't get it right. Stafford and Teddy are apples to oranges comparisons. Matt Stafford could potentially enter next season as the third highest active leader in passing yardage in the NFL and currently on pace to eclipse Aaron Rodgers if he plays the same length of career. I'd equate Stafford much more to someone like Matt Ryan than Teddy Bridgewater. Would I take a 32 year old Matt Ryan right now? Absolutely. Especially with perhaps 6-8 years more of playing life left in him.

Well, I mean Brett Favre's was only 3.3%. He's a gunslinger. Philip Rivers is only 2.6%. He's a gunslinger. Jamies Winston's is only 3.4%. He's a gunslinger. Baker Mayfield's is only 2.9%. He's a gunslinger. INT% isn't a good stat to isolate to interpret if a player is a gunslinger, IMO. Hell, watch Trubisky play and it immediately becomes obvious he's a gunslinger. He takes far greater risks than a game manager would or just a more conservative QB. I'll give you a good example of what I mean. If you look NFL Next Gen Stats metric called "Aggressiveness" he was the fourth most aggressive QB in the NFL this season(21.2% of his completions/incompletions to a receiver that had a defender within 1 yard or less). In 2019, he was 13th. In 2018, he was 8th. In 2017, he was 19th. So, outside of his rookie year, he has been one of the most consistently aggressive passers in the NFL. Again.....a gunslinger. He also shares some of the other gunslinger traits....those crippling INT's that lose games. Being insanely hot or cold, depending on how his gambling is paying off. He is a gunslinger, same as Winston is. The question is whether that is something Joe Brady can deal with. I can give you this one tidbit, his former understudy Joe Burrow did finish #3 in the NFL in Aggressiveness rating last season. So.......maybe Winston or Trubisky are worth a shot for us.

He does have all this leverage but that doesn't mean he will use it. We simply cannot know what he will do until he does it. Maybe as mad as he is at the Texans he doesn't want to go scorched earth and fug them that hard? Maybe he just wants to leave the Texans and doesn't care where(I kind of doubt that scenario)? He isn't a free agent but he does actually hold most of the cards in the forced trade scenario precisely BECAUSE of that no-trade clause. But, we have no idea when/if/how he decides to play those cards. I have never waivered from saying this is all speculation. I'm just painting the various scenarios that COULD happen and the ones I think are most LIKELY to happen.

It's a short term fix with long term potential that is much greater than with Bridgewater. Stafford is only 32, he's an established NFL QB that has had some very good results. He's probably in that group underneath the elite guys, so he still has the potential to make that jump in some sense. The big bonus is that if we decide to get out of his deal, there are no dead money ramifications to us. We could get out at any point in 2021 or 2022 with little to no cap hit. Again, depending on price, he is probably cheaper than he would be on the free agent market. It's also not a bloated contract. Teddy is due $23 mil in 2021 and $26 mil in 2022. Stafford would be owed $20 mil in 2021 and $23 mil in 2022. He's actually cheaper than Teddy, although, as you pointed out that doesn't account for how much cutting Teddy will hit our cap. I am definitely not against getting a guy like Stafford. I just need to know the scenario to decide whether I agree with it or not.

There is literally no telling. Remember, all this trade talk is 100% theoretical based on him being very upset. He may not even want to get traded at all. Until he or his reps or people near him start whispering to reporters about his intentions, this is all speculative. I can tell you where I THINK he SHOULD go but I have zero idea what his desires are for his career path. I couldn't even begin to accurately surmise that. And "for what?" That can't be known until the scenario is known. What if he says, "Anywhere but Houston?" Well, that means the bidding war is on and it could indeed be at the extreme prices that some have speculated. What if he says, "Only *insert 2-3 teams*." Well, now you have a pared down bidding war. Could get extreme if one team really, really wants him and is willing to do anything. What if he says, "Only *insert team*." In that case, the only real threshold is whatever the minimum Houston is willing to let him go for is before they say, "fug it, we'll wait until next offseason or until an injury happens." In this case, it's all about what Houston actually thinks they can get and what they are willing to accept.

Yeah and that carotid stun scenario that they were talking about. That is completely plausible.

That depends on the resources spent. Stafford's money owed is extremely cheap for a player of his caliber. So if you could get him for a 3rd round pick(just throwing out an example), I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.