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He's been...ugly this year to say the least, and honestly he might be more Gase than Shula.

He required CPR, so this is normal. Anyone receiving CPR has to be intubated. The best new information is that he's alive. Please don't take this as new information as to his current condition.

Yeah like, I'm not saying C.J. is good but 1 - He should not be on an island vs Mike Evans (nor Keith Taylor) 2 - We have no pass rush that isn't started by BB or a blitz. We got hit with the injury bug. Happens. Look at teams liek Ravens, 49ers and Chargers in the past.

Called it in the prediction thread, our secondary would be the problem and wouldn't you know it, they were. People'll find a way to blame this on Sam but when you have pressure on the edge and interior what can u do.

we find new ways to be cardiac every fuging year

how do you fug up that tackle my guy

Vita Vea is healthy.

I don't mind the shot, gave his guy a chance and...Sullivan? just got bodied again. When he let it go I was hoping it was TMJ, he's our only real jump ball guy.

Our best TE is in the booth.

We're not running the ball for the same reason we couldn't run the ball well against the Steelers Elite NT flaked by really solid LB play. Except TBs LBs are better. I'm just mad we punted on those 4th n shorts.

Bowles' clock management makes me thankful we had Ron Rivera's

Luvu legit keeps shutting me up every time I doubt him please lock him up Fitts.

dont know if i agree with that one chief

Who gave that lazy af tackle effort from behind at first

took 1 play to remember why i dislike keith immensely.

Our secondary being hurt and their receiving core being mostly healthy scares the poo out of me.

I am like 99% sure if Huddle posters saw what Titans fans had the last two weeks we'd be begging for P.J. again and still having the same QB discussions. There's projects, and then there's "I'm pretty sure this guy doesn't know the QB position"

I don't like Levis, at fugin' all rn. But if the coach and GM (not just Tep) likes him as well I wouldn't care. Dude has a cannon, dude can flick it, has more than functional mobility. If he's the pick he's the pick. I'mma root for him all the same.

1st & 3rd Quote - We'll likely resign him. I think he knows he needs us as much as we need him (even as a bridge) and if he doesn't stay or we don't keep him? That changes things. Absolutely QB becomes our biggest need because just Corral is asking for poo to go wrong. 2nd - Both these things might not be true -- although I expect them to be. Saints are still getting out of cap mess and have a lame duck coach with aging stars on defense and hurt ones on offense. Bucs...are probably gonna free fall. Falcons probably become more competitive next season but I don't think that it'll be too far ahead of us where we can compete. NFC is way too long to go case-by-case, but where I do see improvements for some teams (Lions, Hawks and Giants for example) I still don't see them being a case where we can't match them or compete with them. There's also only two teams I think maintain their elite presence (49ers and Eagles). 4th - Richardson is who I mentioned, but Levis is another prospect I woldn't mind taking a risk on at this point and hoping it hits, but Richardson is my preference. I know his situation (at least this year) at FL with his WRs getting hurt and the like, and as a passer I think there's things he does that he doesn't get a lot of credit for that I can see translating. He's gotten better (though it'd...be real hard not to improve on his numbers from last season) but it's still the NFL. It's very hard to improve as a passer, learn how to actually read progressions, improve mechanically all while getting used to how much smaller the room for error is at the NFL, and how many prospects STILL fall when they have much less to work on. And sure! You could sit him a season and start him in 2024, but if I'm looking at my starting 2024 QB...why not wait til 2024 to draft my QB? Even if I have to trade up? Even if it's not Maye or the USC kid man I'm bad w/ names. When I'm looking at Richardson I'm thinking abt how he can help in the 2023 season (which I do think is possible), like most any first round pick. 5th - I agree to an extent that it can buy you some time (couple of years is a wild stretch) but if the #1 reason you drafted the QB is to sell tickets and hope he hits, that's not good team building. 6th - And yes, we might go a different style next season but given what we have on this roster rn...it'd be kinda silly to go strongly against all those things. We can't play as aggressively whenever on defense. We have two good to solid pass rushers and one of them is not only in a contract year, but our best off ball LB. We can't play as conservatively because everyone not named Horn and Woods is suspect in coverage, and we don't have anyone but Burns who can pressure consistently, and even then his playstyle is entirely around speed. We still only have D.J. and our redzone offense is putrid, not to mention our starting HB is also in a contract year, so skill position is a major area that needs to be addressed and with WR contracts being NUTS rn its hard to find someone to compliment D.J., let alone supplant him. And Richardson, Darnold, whoever will still be a big ? at QB, so going pass heavy doesn't seem feasible especially if we only add some JAG and/or a back round Rook. In the immediate future, sticking to our strengths while we continue to try to build new ones is how we win. In fact, the two elite NFC teams do a lot similar. Good Defense, Strong O-line and run game to control the clock (w/ Philly they add in a lot of short/intermediate passes that gain a ton of RAC). Tennessee has also found success in this (though I think their window is closing and they fuged up massively. Henry older, oline bad now and traded A.J. Brown), and making it as easy for their QB as they can be by surrounding them with the best talents possible. I say this to say I do not expect by this time next year for this offense and style to look completely the same. I do however hope and expect these core values to be how we win next season. There's not enough sweeping enough moves we can make on the roster to change that, especially when it is a winning style of football in the NFL. If we want to contend we'll likely have to do more, but again I don't see us contending next year no matter what we do, so for now I'd think it would be best to focus on building our strengths not trying to craft a new identity. Even if it's not Wilkes, and I rly hope it's not, this should be the blueprint for the 2023 panthers, with focusing on how to improve it.

i'm not trying to wait for the best possible prospect though, if I were I wouldn't be okay with Richardson. I like Richardson because his ceiling is insanely high, and his running ability would stick like glue in our current offense. And if we didn't have Darnold -- Absolutely! There's no reason not to take the risk. But I also know his floor is insanely low and players rarely hit the highs they were expecting. And a bust at QB doesn't hurt me personally as a fan, poo happens, but I think it slams any potential winning in the future short, our rosters only gonna have more holes. However for a multitude of reasons -- NFCS is weak, NFC as a whole is pretty weak with abt two rly good teams and one team that has Justin Jefferson, and I don't know if Richardson will be the best prospect on the board when we pick when April rolls around even relative to our needs (this is of course with the caveat Darnold continues his steady play). I'm not wanting to wait just to wait, I just don't think that going in on a QB this year, especially ones who have shown massive inconsistency at the collegiate level -- is the only way to improve, even if both of them likely to be high up on my Panthers Draft Board as we get closer to April. In fact personally I don't think it's gonna matter poo for dick unless we get the coaching staff right to begin with (I rly, rly want Ryans from the 9ers). The brand new, shiny QB is the easiest way to put butts in seats, and for that reason I can absolutely see Tepper wanting a QB, but that's not the only way. Winning. Winning puts butts in seats. That's why nobody is showing up, we're not winning consistently. And while we still have two weeks to go for the first time in 4-ish years I feel like we have a roster built to do that going into the next year. I don't think we'll be able to compete next year, but win for sure. I just want the best available talent to be added to the roster that helps us continue to win with our current style - Clock Control, Pound the Rock, Build a Lead, Bring Pressure.

I think it was the other way around iirc, Gettleman was irked with Josh's agent, rescinded the tag, and then Josh replaced his agent.

Pittsburgh sucks but their D-line doesn't. Like do u think that if a team sucks they have no strengths?

I haven't watched the o-line vs the D-line in that game, but if I had to guess i'd say it stemmed from Cameron Heyward being a beast, and he's being flanked by Myles Jack and Devin Bush while he eats up blocks. So yes, the Lions have a much inferior D-line and LB core, but few have ones a strong as what Pitt has.

No, I don't mind taking a chance. Taking on Sam Darnold is a chance. The only reason i'm even entertaining this because it's Sam Darnold. If this was Kyle Allen or Teddy, like in the past where I thought the team can overcome the limitations of the QB (and even at the end of 2020, i was tired of Teddy) but because I think Sam has the ability to make throws that other QBs on second contracts can (I.E. Garoppolo and Tannehill) and he's shown that this year with the added caveat that he has shown growth in one of his crippling areas namely, his pocket presence has shown growth in wins and losses, when the offense is both on and off schedule, he's taken the sack, or stepped up and made the throw. On top of that, several throws Sam has made this year have been excellently well placed balls, namely ones to D.J. You seem to blame the offenses passing Limitations solely on Darnold, and while i think he's not infallible, i'm blaming the skill positions and scheme more here. It's not like Sam's missing wide open players or behind schedule, it's really the opposite, things aren't opening up. When we've asked Sam to do more, he's executed. If he continues this trend going forward, I'll continue to say this, and if he doesn't then i'll likely be more on the Richardson side of things. But right now this is entirely based on the risk that Sam can do more can play closer to that 1st round valuation (not top 3 maybe, but still 1st round) and help this team win. The reason I lean more towards Darnold is because the same things holding me back abt Richardson. We'll need coaching, they both still has a ways to go (and Richardson hasn't played a snap in the nfl), and our offensive supporting cast needs dire improvements or they'll continue to let the defense down. At least with Darnold we can use that first for a position of need, and in both outcomes we move on in 2024 that whichever QB we take can hopefully use.

I didn't want you to ignore it, I @'d you directly. Entirely because you do that thing where you vague rather than actually say what you think I'm saying to me. Shoe doesn't fit because I have no idea how I'll feel abt the QB situation in 2023-24 when we haven't even finished the fugin 2022 season, the season that is currently going on and the things in it impact my mindset. You're the one putting words in everyone's mouth because we don't agree that swinging for the fences is the only way to move forward.