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I know people are feeling the Luke comparison. But Payton got too much damage already on that body coming in for me.

Expectation: Trading the 33rd for a future first to a really bad team Likely the Panthers: Trades for 5 3rd rounders to KC

Well, if I look at the results of picks traded away in the Tepper era.....I would say no pick should ever be traded away no matter the deal. It's all long a list of being on the losing end. just take the BPA at all the spots. We got room for whoever it is.

I mean, if you lock Adam Thielen in the slot for a small ball QB/O.....it's going to cap it. I mean, you can force feed him all day in the slot. Teams also often gave him stuff too as a by-product of managing downs. His yards per catch wasn't just low.....he had the lowest yards per catch of any WR in the top 100 players in yards. I mean, you don't have to remove Thielen....but he shouldn't be dominating the slot every down. That shouldn't be your plan for that area of the field. We either got to commit to a small ball O or move on from Bryce. We had tons of bad marriages last year. Bryce needs a Bryce O and skill talent that caters to that. It's like Mike Williams. I love Mike Williams. He would be my favorite Panther if we signed him. But I don't want us to. He doesn't fit IMO. That's sort of Theilen for me. It's just not a good match given what you need out of your skill players for Bryce.

I think Mingo. If Mingo were to explode it would essentially have the biggest impact......pending everyone else was basically what they were last year. Icky my #2.

where is that one crazy poster that used to do the number thing when you need him.

Theilen isn't a TE though. You can't actually play him in that role because they also have to do things besides go out for routes. That's just what he represents as a receiving threat. A sure handed TE. And his production per catch mimics the TEs and not WRs. I just think Thielen is a bad fit. Given what we need around Bryce and what we need those players to do for him. If Bryce Young is my QB.....rec RB, slot WR, and TE are my big 3 positions I would focus on. Which is what I thought going into last season. You need playmakers there and dudes that can do something more than just catch. Focus on small ball. Which is why I not a fan of a bad Mike Williams marriage here. Which is what we did all last season. Random parts. Bryce Young isn't chucking it downfield and playing risky. That's not his DNA. Mike Williams belongs w/ a risk taker.

for all Tepper's many faults......Tepper does move on quickly from his mistakes. That's really can't be denied. Problem is Tepper moves on from mistakes by making more mistakes. I think Tepper will move in a different direction if Bryce remains largely the same guy.

I think draft status immediately goes out the window to a degree once you really step on a football field on Sundays. So the fact that Bryce went #1 doesn't really matter at all at this point. I mean, to an extent it is going to matter in terms of how big of a chance a FO gives him. But as far as expectations and being judged? I don't think Bryce should really be treated any different than a 2nd or 4th round pick in terms of judgement. Bryce Young was always an anomaly at QB. No matter what the hype was in college. As one coach said, if you are going to win w/ a QB bringing what Bryce physically brings to the table....he better walk on water. I think he could be a decent starter in a good place one day....but he just doesn't have the god gifted tools IMO to thrive in the NFL. And his mental QB DNA isn't that of a Brees/Wilson.

Theilen handicaps the slot position too much to be the locked in Y. He isn’t a slot WR in today’s NFL. it kills all YAC potential. He is just a sure handed TE essentially.

options seemed skewed. Some options would be using the 33rd on a WR and some are using other picks in reality.

It’s not a good idea. It’s a great idea. It’s a deep and good WR draft.

I mean, Bryce looked horrible. We should have spent a 6th on him. He is better that whoever our 3rd QB will be. Steelers acquired Wilson and Fields for less than we spent on Sam Darnold. It’s what they have won every season for a decade plus and we are the worst in all pro sports. they do smart things.

Idiots are everywhere though. Climbing the ladder isn’t always about how smart/good you are either. Lot of the smartest/best folks don’t climb ladders as fast as others. That’s just a fact of life. Some people are just good at advancing themselves and working there way up in an org. It’s why across so many professions people that shouldn’t find themselves at the top get there.

Well, I think last season presents a lot of questions about Bryce Young. Not only his arm strength but the type shots he is and isn’t willing to pull the trigger on. That’s me at least. I’m big Mike fan. I’d be nervous to sign him because of his age and health but I just don’t see how he pairs well with Bryce on top of that. You can’t be risk adverse to take advantage of what Mike does

Mike is awesome at what Mike does. now after watching that highlight reel….can you imagine Bryce Young taking those throws that allowed Mike to make those plays?

Morgan for me is the 2nd best ILB in Panther history. And we have had some good ones. I feel confident on his take on the front 7 of the D and probably the OL. but saying that, do feel Morgan had to be involved in the DJ Johnson nonsense. But that could have just been Morgan looking to add a nasty rep guy to a team that is full of nice guys.

He has suited up for only 16 of his last 34 games. I wouldn’t call Mike fast though. He is good. His best strength is just giving him a shot downfield to make a play. Always has been since college. But I don’t think he is the best pairing for a risk adverse QB

I put Morgan in the Minter tier. A Panther great. Not NFL great.

In real time last year….many people here were crediting Fitterer for putting together a roster that was better than the 2011 or 2003 one. this is the honeymoon window of any season. you can sell it either way….as a great new era change or a predictable bad Panthers about to repeat

It’s a WR heavy draft. An ideal one to add a WR. It’s highly likely the BPA is going to be a WR at spots…..and we need solutions to develop Bryce beyond this one season TE draft last year. WR this year. If you aren’t taking advantage of what drafts have to offer and chase at other spots I don’t support that.

Yep, the only McCaffrey we would take is the poor man’s McCaffrey….Will Shipley. He would actually round out our backfield. And 4th and mid round RBs can play. Almost everyone is going to be a developmental guy there

I mean, an SEC team went 2 consecutive years without having a QB pass for 1500 yards. Went 3 without having one throw for more than 11 TDs. Like I said they were pulling coaches to play QB. Hybrid WRs. That’s not a lot of college teams. Much less someone in the SEC I mean, once Rattler got there and let him throw at the end of 2022…..Leggette emerged

Yeah, I think playing the odds you look at Johnson as a short term answer. Anything can happen but anything can happen isn’t the most likely. He is a diva WR who wants stats and we got him for a year in a trade. I think a prudent org would manage your roster decisions as if Johnson is short term aid to a struggling QB. Obviously Theilen is a short term band aid. TMJ and ISM just bodies. So I’m still in the camp we need to be building our roster and looking for long term answers. It’s a passing league.

teams do trade good QBs though. Sometimes, ones that are still top tier. And they will often trade away the right to the hottest QB prospects in the draft. I'm not saying it's happening....but Harbaugh is a bit of a wildcard.