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I mean, I think I can name 2 in the last 2 decades I would have felt comfortable giving up the farm for. but we have been in QB hell so long I can make an exception. Probably just cool w/ Stroud though. I wouldn't like giving up a bunch for the other guys.

Eagles went 0-2 when he was out with an injury this year. Including a beating at home to the lowly Saints.

OPOY - Foreman. I actually don't think this one is close. 5 games into the season he had 37 rushing yards. We then traded CMC. He finished with 914. If you projected his yards over a full season post CMC trade it's a 1300+ season. He was a tad boom or bust at times but he was the engine to our respectable finish. DPOY - Brown ROY - Icky MVP - Foreman (same as above) Play - PJ to DJ bomb but Luvu and Bozeman definitely need props

but the NFL stance in game and post game centers around no receiver being in the vicinity. Which there was, by the standard the NFL has routinely set. It was still thrown in the direction of and vicinity of a WR. And the NFL is has been much broader than that Bengals example. But yeah, Burrow was dirting it. that doesn't matter. and they let QBs do that all the time. Burrow did it the week prior vs Buffalo. Mahomes vs the Jags.

he isn't invaluable. But a stud RB is still a complimentary piece. That's why at the end it is always a battle of the elite QBs

There QB got knocked out on the first drive of the game. And it essentially killed their chances. They had a QB. One that had been playing great. in the NFCCG it turned into a game that featured a great defense and run game. And you can't win with it.

He was in the area. The ball bounced into the hands of the guy covering him. And that is what makes it a penalty or not. Was Burrow actually trying to throw it to him for a completion? No. He didn’t have to be. That's not what makes it a penalty or not. QBs get rid of balls all the time intentionally and aren’t trying to connect to the WR in the area. The point often is just to get rid of the ball and survive the sack/pressure. Not complete the pass.

You asked for examples. So I gave broad examples that show the point I have repeatedly made. It has always found its way into every sport in some fashion. Inevitable. And your argument remains the NFL is unique to an issue that has always found its way in. maybe you are right. Maybe an entertainment org made up of high character people like Synder, Irsay, Kraft, etc is immune. Maybe one that knowingly employs folks like Hernandez, Winslow Jr, etc is an immune. Maybe a front office that destroys evidence like in Spygate is immune….to the type corruption that has found its way into every other sport. NFL is your unicorn. you don’t have the evidence you want. History says it just requires patience. *I think you missed the steroid era reference point. Those were just players trying to get better lol? What? No, that was MLB prioritizing money, profit and putting on a show for ratings. Which is their goal. Not running some integrity driven sporting event. Same with the NFL. Who benefited? It saved MLB. $$$. I definitely think the NFL engages in influence to increase odds at times for certain outcomes. And frankly you can do that pretty legitimately. You don’t want Megatron and the Lions to go to far in a random year because it’s not good for business? That’s easy. Find a crew that lets DBs get away with too much junk. Make a point of emphasis on top of that to let ‘em play that week. It helps steer outcomes. It’s all about $. You want to nerf or buff a Cam Newton? Easy in reality. Then there is the whole debate about outside forces at play. 2 different things. That’s what the NFL fears. Which they have spoken on.

Okay. NBA - we already did that one. Which you can't really dismiss like you do as just a one time incident. Unless your argument is the mob only opted to participate in that one singular sport and only that one ref? Which seems like a really bad argument. Soccer (overseas) - huge scandal about a decade or so ago. Tons of fixed games MLB - Black Sox obviously, we also could get into the entire shady as fug steroid era if you wanted, and probably a host of other shady stuff in baseball. The blind on eye for some for ratings is definitely influence. College Basketball - Boston College - point shaving. NFL simple hasn't had it moment in the sun. You can however find former NFL commissioners talking about point shaving. The concerns of it. How it is a legit worry. And if they have said it openly.....it is easy to figure out why it is called entertainment and not sport. Because corruption finds it way into sports. It always does. And the big money and powers that be do their best to never let the public know anything. Remember the Spygate tapes they destroyed lol? Who needs to know what was one those. Obviously, that is another topic but it speaks to the great lengths they will all go to keep things as quiet as possible. Sports is and will always be a dirty business. Simple as that. Too much money involved for it not to be. And yeah, human history across basically all areas of life proves it largely is inevitable in terms of existing. How much it happens? Who knows. But we know factually one ref can alter a game. Super Bowl refs that have blown games have admitted the power to award the wrong team a win. And we know all the refs are just part time employees. You telling me folks with money can't get to the right person? There hasn't been guys they have been able to get to over the years? I mean, that in reality is one of the weakest tin foil hat conspiracies that ever existed. I can come up w/ much bigger and better ones than that. Actually being able to pin point when it happened? Probably not.

I have given plenty of examples of it occurring in sports. Over and over. Sport to sport. It's a constant. Essentially inevitable. You continue to dismiss that well documented fact as somehow irrelevant when talking about this topic. lol. I never said it was every game nor would I imply such. all sports are dirty. and the NFL doesn't even claim to be a sport. It claims to be entertainment. Why? Because they know there is too much liability in claiming to be that with all that can potentially occur. You think the NFL is uniquely pure. Cool. I don't. I think it is just like everything else. We disagree.

think people are using DVOA football outsiders w/ the 32nd claim

There still was a receiver in the area. Which is what makes it PI or not. And that was the NFL explanation despite it bouncing to the player. I mean, you can just keep naming the plays. Because there were so many of them. I think the punt return to set up the game winning field goal was horrific. That area of for the block in back virtually never gets missed...but it was. And that is exactly where he ran to. And then on the final Mahomes run, blatant holding to allow him to escape. Go the Bengals drive prior. Every big time QB gets that late hit in that moment. But not a game w/ that much home cooking. It was a horrifically called game. Can't have that many questionable calls late in a game. All stacking on top of each other. and I'm not a Burrow guy. Not skin in the game. But that was horrible officiating for a game like that. Especially late.

yeah, the Bengals intentional grounding was bogus. I mean, the ball lliterally bounced into the hands of the guy covering Perine.

same head ref last night was the on the crew blasted in the Super Bowl as the Rams got aided on that final drive with that Kupp PI call in the closing minutes. Which had host of NFL WRs claiming it bogus flag you can't throw. Refs can determine outcomes with their bad calls. We have seen that admitted to at least. And when you put the same guys repeatedly on the field and it keeps happening......and you are okay with it. It gets harder to dismiss. and then the league responds that they can't afford to move on from their part time ref crew, can't afford tech, and can't alter rules to make more things reviewable. I still think you should have 2 challenges per game. And anything should be reviewable with them.

you might could make the case the Eagles are the most overrated team to ever reach the Super Bowl. Easiest schedule in the NFL? check. Bad Giants team in round one? check NFCCG? Opposing QB hurt on opening drive. Opponent didn't have QB to attempt a forward pass for the 2nd half.

not if that is Myles Murphy Signed, Clemson fan

It’s just a fact. I looked it up in my huddle fact book. Board deems him the Panther GOAT. He isn’t.

Steve Smith is overrated by the huddle he isn’t the best Panther of all time. Not in terms of actual football player or impact.

Well, again, everything you say can’t happen…..has happened in sports. And man driven corruption is literally everywhere and always where the money is. Again, something well documented. your argument is basically that somehow the NFL alone is immune to all this…..just because. Therefore is fan fiction. The NFL is on top of the world. Well, all the other sports have been too. Baseball corrupt. Boxing corrupt. NBA. College football. Everyone. Well, except the NFL. It’s pure. take something else. College football. All the allegations of paid players. Meh, that’s just rumors. They would all admit it if it was wide spread. It’s not really happening like that. Well, they largely never did admit it. Well, until later. Now they do. Now they frankly will tell the most absurd stories. Which is generally how it goes. The mob didn‘t get into the NBA in 2007. It had been there for decades. One day the NFL will have their moment I assume. Money does tend to keep folks quiet for some time. We have seen that. fan fiction is pretending there is no corruption where there is so much money IMO. Because that never happens. NFL isn’t special. it’s not every game. But yeah, NFL games get messed with. All sports do. Who knows which ones. Part of the fun I guess.

Depends on the teams. Lots of possibilities. Maybe you intentionally put a crew on a game that calls games certain ways that would benefit one over the other. Maybe you speak to the head ref about a point of emphasis in a game that would favor one team over the other that hasn't been stressed prior. Maybe a certain player gets stressed. Protected. Unprotected. That would be the influencing. Then there is the real shady stuff. Like refs being paid by forces outside the actual league office. Which might not be the outcome.....maybe it's just the points and type game to be allowed. I mean, that certainly easy to do to. You could easily encourage a game to be lower scoring. They aren't going to risk ruining it all by influencing outcomes. Baseball still on TV after all their scandals? NBA?

Influence is just that. Influence. Increase the probability for success in one direction. Doesn't guarantee anything.....because you know, there are 22 players on the field playing a game. I said sports. It's documented in sports. Because there are examples of everything you say can't and doesn't happen all over sports. So your argument would have to be the NFL is an outlier and unique from it. Just because. And not just sports really, just unique in life. That the NFL is clean, whereas virtually nothing else is. There is literally an owner in a lawsuit right now for trying to pay his coach to intentionally lose games. Why do you think a NFL owner felt comfortable with that? NFL is and has always been full of sketchy people. You find them where the money is.

what is my theory exactly? Influence. Nothing more. It's not as risky as "rigging" a game would be. and yeah, players have thrown games before in sports. That's documented too. it's not wild and crazy to think sports is just as corrupt as the rest the world. Which is well documented. Rarely in real time though. Selling the modern day NFL as some unique outlier is a tough sell. Which is what you are doing.

So, you think he is the only one? That's your official stance. All major sports has been clean and fair outside of him? Just want to know exactly the stance I am arguing against. So the mob just got involved w/ sports betting in 2007 and just w/ the NBA? lol. All the rest was just a false rumor.

games not influenced. meanwhile, Cam Newton isn't old enough to get that call.