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99% of the time I actually go both our Horn's Joe Horn. So I only type Horn.

that is a very generous assessment of David Tepper

We about to learn something about Dave IMO. And what he values. And how much weight being a Dave guy carries. Just guess work right now.

but they too most likely would be viewing him as a developmental project IMO. Maybe 2nd half of the season you could work him in

that's a main reason I call him a project. Dude wasn't run blocking in college. And even his routes were run out of looks he primarily isn't going to see here.

I like Horn, said it when we drafted him. But I think people are too optimistic about his short term potential. 6th round WR for a reason. Colorado offense was super quirky. Got to think he is a project to develop. He wasn't doing much there but playing pass downs on a very spread out O (that's not really NFL conditions). all that said, I'm not a Moore fan at all. I want Horn over him. AT and Renfrow got the experience to handle that WR room.

Got to think Renfrow running ahead of Horn at this point. Think Renfrow has about 4 grabs out there with Dalton. Yet to here Horn’s name out there

This guy is pretty good follow today too. Sam Warren. He is covering the Texans D reps only. He got every drive covered and breaks down starters and backups. I still cant get tweets to show https://x.com/samwarren_3/status/1956018789448835240?s=46

Jonathan M Alexander looks like a good follow today too. Houston Texans beat writer (Charlotte native).

Etienne has 2 total college punt returns. He is not a returner. Horn had 14 total college punt returns. He showed improvement in college from Jr to Sr year. Blackshear has 23 NFL punt returns Renfrow has 70 NFL punt returns I say let Renfrow open the year and you let Horn work on them and eventually let him audition to take it away from Renfrow at PR. Let Etienne, XL and whoever take turns at KR. Blackshear isn't a good enough returner to get a roster spot for returning.

David Tepper once said something along the lines that the league was basically designed for teams largely all be 8-8. If you are good for an extended period or bad.....it's the people running the show. the problem in Carolina is clear

All I’m saying is claiming it as, as good as any performance in Carolina history….is the continuing trend of taking something good done by Bryce and then taking it too far. for example, Bryce had an incredible turnaround last year that even the most optimistic fan couldn’t see coming. Instead of letting that be something awesome… the well he actually was a top 10 QB stuff gets layered on top. And then I’m a hater for taking issue with the over the top part while agreeing with the basic core. It was a great finish. His best game. And a super efficient game. But it can’t be that, it has to then be as good any anything we have ever seen. Well, it’s not that though.

if you are wanting to claim the extreme position of greatest QB performance of all time ….while not cracking 200 in regulation? Well, that seems like a fair point to bring up to me…given the massive statement being made.

It’s not about just postseason. Those are just favs. It’s quality of opponent and stakes….and performing. Those things have always mattered. And of course, the eyeball test.

I’ll take Cam Newton dismantling a top 5 D AZ in the playoffs with 4 TDs and near 400 total yards… I’ll take Jake in the postseason vs at the Bears with 300 yards and 3 TDs… both better games. Tougher games. And didn’t need OT to crack 200 passing yards on the day Bryce’s QB rating that game doesn’t even crack a top 10 list of Cam’s highest QB rating games. this is my BY issue. Bryce does something nice and then the wild over the top stuff comes and it no longer can just be nice. BY has to be a top 10 QB, or the best deep ball passer or the greatest game we have ever witnessed from a QB in Carolina

I think Evero goes first. Next seat that gets hot will be Morgan before Canales IMO if things go south. I still don’t how Dan emerged out of the Fitterer poo show

Tepper has proven he doesn’t care about anyone. Everyone is replaceable in search of wins. he has proven that with 2 pro teams over and over and over….

I’m not claiming a conspiracy….but PFF for years and years ends up often spitting out some random bonkers stuff that makes little sense. Proclaiming BY as one of the great deep ball passers….to me, where the deep dive subjective analysis they do starts to really show it’s flaws. I mean if…. QB A is 1/1 with a 50 yard air TD that goes for a 99 yard TD QB B is 0/1 off a 50/50 jump ball incompletion to the back of the endzone and PFF’s conclusion is QB B was the better deep ball passer because QB A and team made it all look to easy and what if QB B’s team pulled that one off….. you slowly start getting too far into fantasy and make believe for me. Which is what PFF starts getting into with some of there stuff IMO.

to clarify I am not referring to Will Levis. Not knowingly. I just made that up and tried to use a reasonable guesstimate of what else was done. That sounded in the ballpark. At one time I did look it all up and there were several teams that had much more successful days downfield. If that happened to be Levis' actual numbers than it's more of a lucky coincidence. If memory serves, it wasn't just Will Levis that brought the claim into question, it was SEVERAL teams had better days. and you are missing my entire point of the subjective nature of it all. If PFF employee Doug watched Bryce's film and then used his same unique subjective vantage point to grade all 31 other starting QBs. Then dumped into into a spread sheet, it would a subjective Doug take but at least it would be a level uniform subjectivity. The grades are done by various people. All watching and applying their own subjective view to a play. Everyone isn't going to grade incompletions out the same. Or completions. So when you dump it all into a spread sheet and hit sort.....it's not actually a statement of fact as portrayed. Which is why you sometimes get some head scratching stuff. I'm not reframing anything. I don't think. I just wasn't going to look it all back up so I was talking vaguely off the general issue I have with PFF and treating any random claim they make as the truth.

I didn't think underrated was the wildest statement. The passing and offensive command he showed in week 18 against Atlanta was as good as any QB that has ever played for this franchise. I mean THAT part is wild. Which plays into the overrated part. End of regulation I don't think he even hit 200 yards passing. I mean he had a very efficient day vs a weak defense. As good as we have ever seen in Carolina?

I mean, yes, there is a difference between looking at a box score and watching film. But PFF has a big subjective aspect to some of their grades. That's how you get a 2/4 being better than 3/5 with a TD. You aren't using stats at that point or factual events, but subjective analysis of plays. And it's not like it is the same subjective analysis applying across all the players. Same guy grading BY's incompletions (which are putting him over the top) isn't grading everyone else's incompletions and completions. So it's different subjective takes/viewpoints applied. There is no way everyone at PFF views grading out a play the same. Then it all dumps into the same spreadsheet. Hit the sort button. Sometimes I feel it gets really weird and and collective data starts saying some weird stuff that just isn't true.

PFF is the weirdest good bad thing out there. I mean, they will make these statements about player X was the best week 1 at doing Y. But I swear it often makes no sense how they actually get to some of their statements/conclusions. Feels like everyone on their team is using different standards (subjective takes) and you end up with things that make little sense when you bring it all together. Like even some of the hot takes of Bryce was the best deep passer in week whatever. Ok, but then you look around that week and it makes no sense how they get to that statement. Bryce might be 2/4. Meanwhile someone else goes 3/5 with a bomb touchdown and they deem that worse.

I'm just saying if my destination is 8 wins. I would rather watch Jake get me there than Teddy.

yeah, I mean, sign me up for Peyton Manning all day. but if I got to pick between Teddy and Jake? Give me Jake. I'll side w/ entertaining over sensible if they both lead to the same final destination.

I still see two sides to that coin. Jake Delhomme and Teddy Bridgewater. Some QBs are looking for that play, some aren't. It's DNA. Downfield gamblers are just a thing. So are check-down QBs. You make both do the opposite of their DNA. But both remain distinctly different types of QB that are what they are. And there of course is a middle ground to all that too. BY clearly is never going to look at the pass game the way Russell Wilson does. And heck some coaches need a gunslinger. John Fox for example. John Fox frankly needed to be paired w/ a QB that probably was making a lot of throws he never wanted took in the first place...because his natural tendency as a coach was probably to be too safe/conservative.