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We have played one team this year with good WRs and a good QB though… and that team happened to run for 250 yards on us. Which limited the need to really go at our secondary hard. He has had a good start, odds say he probably is closer to the guy he has been over the past 3 seasons than the one this small window is painting. this is a big show me week IMO. 2 great WRs and a good QB.

My bad. Had it mixed up. (I’ll edit other) 6th round pick for Gilmore 3rd round pick plus JAG TE for the #9 pick of 2020 point still remains, nothing about that says you are getting a lot in a trade for Jackson. Who hasn’t put together one strong overall season yet.

We got Henderson (#9 pick of 2020) for 3rd We got Gilmore for 6th. I think we would get way less than people think.

But in one breathe we talk about how the OL is absolutely horrific and note the the fact saw pressure on an absurd number of snaps….no protection to hardly pull anything off. and then in the next day Joe Brady should be running double moves? That means the QB needs even more time. We have an OL issue. You can scheme around an OL sucking only so much. Too much talent on the other side in the NFL.

This thread has super high odds of being predictably Huddle-seque… Same people calling him a top 5 DB this week gonna call him overrated if he is beat repeatedly by Jefferson and Thelien this week. Which easily could happen. Because they are very good WRs with a capable QB throwing to them. Something we have only seen once all year.

We should get CMC back this week…which is a big plus. Defenses play us different. that said, I’d probably call this a coin flip type game. Either team could win. Vikings will be one of the toughest games to date though. They have a lot of problems on O to deal with. this is one of the weeks you have to the offense show up and play well. Can’t expect the D to dominate and put it all on them vs well built offenses. Contain and limit. Offense has to score points vs middle of the road defenses.

You play to win the game. Win % while each was the OC….puts a very unpopular guy at the top.

Arnold lead the Jags in catches and receiving yards this week… a dependable TE is a young QBs best friend. We gave Cam 2 year 1.

Hubbard just needs more reps. He keeps looking better. He needs a good offseason to work on his lower body. CMC went down much easier on first contact his rookie year than year 2 to present day. Chubba struggling with that first contact right now

Arnold is a solid JAG. That isn’t an insult. You have to have solid non-superstars that consistently contribute. he was the best TE on the roster present day. Darnold did well going to him. And we traded him away for a red flagged DB….despite having Jackson, Horn and then getting Gilmore. if the goal is to fix Sam and have him work they should of put more work in the OL. And at a bare minimum don’t trade away the weapons he likes as you seek to rebuild him.

Well going back to the draft my worry about the new GM was his Seattle ties and what he witnessed there….a historic D build oddly off the secondary. It’s why I felt he would go Horn at #8. Despite DB not being the right back given what we are/we’re. He seems overly committed to DBs at this stage. And the Seattle OL went to poo while he was there. I would have rather kept Arnold. Especially if the claim is to rehabilitate Darnold. Nothing about this roster really says that. OL is utter trash. That’s never never made sense with the claim that they thought they could fix Sam. You then trade away a super solid TE that Darnold had decent chemistry with….and Darnold keeps looking worse ever sense. granted CMC is out. But his favorite two non-CMC targets were Moore and Arnold.

I think Robbie is most upset that he has gone right back to being what he always has been after his one season…. Robby also simply isn’t playing good football of late. And a lot do that has nothing to do with Joe Brady and is all Robby.

I think dealing Arnold was a mistake. He isn’t Kelce but he was solid and consistent part of the gameplan. You need guys like that. I like what I see in Tremble but he isn’t Arnold yet *If focused on the present day Panthers

I would have rather parted with Freeman

Bradberry and Jackson aren’t comps though. Bradberry spent years covering Julio, Thomas, and the best teams had to offer and played strong. Jackson first 3 years were a average and is off to a hot start vs weak passers.

this is the Robby Anderson conversation all over again. 5 games in last year and people were arguing he was easily our #1 and better than DJ . he is the same dude he was in NY. A decent #2.

heck no. this is on par with people claiming Sam Darnold might be in MVP and surpass every Panther QB last week. Jackson shouldn't be paid like a top 5 corner because he isn't one. He wasn't in year 1. He wasn't in year 2. He wasn't in year 3. In fact he was often bashed for his inconsistent play and lack of putting int the work off the field. No one would have considering him top 5, top 10, or top 16 coming into this year. He has never been close to any of that. 5 games into 2021 doesn't make him a top 5 DB. Especially, when 2 of those games were against rookie QBs making their debut, a Saints team depleted without coaches, and Hurts (who isn't a good passer). This is the way though. Two bad games and people will want him cut.

well, I mean Joe Brady was a key element to a college football national championship and the greatest offense college football has seen… and in a covid year, with no preseason, installing a brand new offense….and no CMC…with a horrible OL and Checkdown QB…..had us in virtually every game. and presently we have a winning record with what has been the worst starting QB in the NFL over the last 3 seasons… Joe Brady isn’t our main problem on offense.

I don’t hate Darnold lol. I didn’t hate Jimmy. Jimmy was just horrible at playing QB. I talk about Darnold exactly like I did Teddy. And then when the crowd shifted on Teddy people got mad because I wouldn’t blame him for everything. Last year, Samuel, Robby, DJ, Teddy all had career years. The play calling overall isn’t horrible. Situationally he needs work which is to be expected given it is only the start of his second season ever doing it. and given how trash our OL is….Joe Brady is part of the reason we have been able to be so competitive. But he can only do so much. The overall scheme is fine. and I only argued that PJ had more value than Will Grier. I have never advocated for PJ over Darnold.

Did you know Luke Kuechly could pretty consistently tell you exactly what the offense was going to do when the ball is snapped? Opposing QBs are on record he would call out essentially every play they ran. I think way too much stock is being put in that one comment. We got guys that know exact route someone is about to run too. It’s just about stopping it. And a QB not throwing to a route the defense won.

Lots of teams are running the same poo over and over. That isn’t unique. Some of that is used to setup for when you don’t. Defensive players often know exactly what opponents are going to do. If you could pause a game Luke Kuechly would tell you everything about to happen. Sam needs to do a better job of not locking on so consistently of where he is going with the ball. And not throwing when it isn’t there. I think Rhule even discussed in the presser that DB jumping the same route last week. You only comment on that because it was discussed before hand….

Cam had some memorable stinkers in year 2. But he was tasked with way more than Sam is tasked with.

what metrics would rank him as above average QB? You have to cherry pick games and certain stats IMO to set that narrative. He hasn’t been average in the NFL. Throughout his career he has been a below average starting QB.

Sam did that in NY too. He wasn’t bad every week. He had good stretches there too. 5 games in….6 passing TDs, 6 INTs and put the ball on the ground 4 times. That’s Sam. Sam is going to be Sam. Just like Teddy is going to be Teddy. Sam isn’t a rookie. Sam’s issues existed at USC…they showed in NY and they have shown themselves here. He is a talented athlete that isn’t a great QB.

I’ve always argued Rhule made his name in college essentially playing similar to Fox and Rivera. It’s not apples to apples but it’s always been in the same ballpark. Rhule teams and success have always been about playing to the defense. That’s what his college teams did. Great defense. Okay offense. and it is an approach that is good for pulling teams out of the gutter. Rhule did that. Fox and Rivera’s brand of football are good for that too. Never suited for much more than being okay. But Rhule only won 1 conference title in college. Which isn’t an impressive resume overall for a college to pro HC.