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Yup. And then what else can he ask for? That crew made it out of our kind of mess. I would be great to get someone familiar with the process.

The only way a high quality prospect like that would come here is a massive contract, a deal where they get everything they want control wise and the ability to do whatever they want with the team. I have a hard time seeing Tepper allow that let alone let it happen without fugging it up.

If they let an OC with training wheels pick their QB or Tepper took his advice over Frank then that's a terrible situation to be in. I didn't mean to come off like he is the victim in the long list of crap done by this crew. Hell, he could have been one of the guys with knives in the Rhule firing. Just unknown for now. If it's worst case scenario then fug him but I can't prove more than his playbook stinks and he has crap taste in QBs. He was absolutely another very inexperienced up and coming guy on a poorly run team that was not protected from himself. He was a freaking RBs coach, who TF let that guy run point on the QB choice? The playbook is on Frank. He was the mentor, yeah they wrote it together but who was responsible for helping him make it work? The guy who was the HC and was going to call the plays to begin with.

We know there was one schism when Frank got fired. We know the BS they were slinging throughout the process. There is so much more that has beem happening along the way. Frank asking to sit Young after week six is a great example. Not adapting is another. Like what did they actually ask him to do or was it just Fank being Frank? No idea but I would love to find out.

Too little is still actually known. It sure sounds like it's headed for more to drop to us. It's going to be interesting to see where the poop falls.

Promising yet raw coach put in a terrible position and asked to do the impossible? The Panthers are the experience needed to do better elsewhere. This team packs years of bad experience into 1 season for them to learn from. The behind the scenes stuff too.

Going down with Frank to get paid unemployment is starting to look pretty good about now. Any ideas if he was a knife wielder in that affair yet?

I went and watched some film of Clausen's low and highlights. He is better but not by much. It was shocking how close it really was. Highs Lows

By the end of 2 years possibly with Tepper stepping back and hitting on new people to run everything. It won't be next year. No way. Miracles just don't show up by the dozens.

The possible wins with Dalton is just basic NFL salvage mode. It lets guys have a chance to change it up with 4 games left. Anything else would be a bonus. Bryce isn't playing well and Frank was right about wanting to sit him. It's just accepting he needs to do a lot of work and then give it another go. But that wasn't allowed. It's not all Bryce but it's a large part his limitations and some others the situation directly connected to him that is out of his control. The blame of the team management, coaching and other players is mixed right in. But none of that changes what he has shown is really concerning and there are other guys in the league proving a lot more with the things he can control.

That kind of QB is fine at that level. Why have to look for an NFL unicorn when you can churn out championships with good enough? It's such an easy game compared to the NFL. The school stuff changes with staff and even they get lucky with hitting on a unicorn sometimes.

Who knows. Tepper hasn't done anything close to that kind of approach. At best he gave SF until the end of the year to prove it with the other dagger weilders but even that is more strategy than he usually uses. It's I'm the smartest, repeat what he was sold and then go off with anger on not making it happen over and over again.

You can belive in Santa Caluse and the Easter Bunny too. The tape is there and you can ignore it if you wish. I have already stated ad nauseam he is going to be here next year regardless of what I think about him. Playing Dalton just adds more to the heap of obvious but it's also the best move for Bryce anyways. Nothing is getting better the rest of this season and the rest of the offensive roster could use a few games to prove what they can do without him because he is a large part of the problem on the field in the offense. I don't think he can beat out a decent backup at this point and there really isn’t any untapped potential. Fix his feet and send him out to start earning that new QB in 25 is the plan by defualt.

It's funny because with Tepper any of this kind of lunacy is actually possible.

We can look at Bryce and be very concerned, enough is out there for that. I like that video because it's comparing Bryce to Bryce and that part is the concerning part. He isn't learning or improving when you compare him to himself. And like others have said, there are backups playing now doing more in a couple of games than Bryce has all year, both production and growth. It's not even the historically bad stuff, that's just time filler to me now because there is no actual football worth talking about so back to Bryce or coaching or Tepper. He looks way more limited than any of those guys you mentioned. I went back and watch Manning's rookie year TDs and Ints and that looked nothing like Bryce's in game play. None of them are on the same level of physical talent as Bryce. Not sure about Love honestly, he was a project pick with plenty of physical talent if I remember correctly from that draft and situation, but that is about when I started to pay less attention to the NFL. The part about him not adjusting to pressure well even though it should be normal by now is incredibly concerning because that was Carr's issue also, way above his line's ability also. Ether way he will be here next year and get another shot, well unless Tepper blows up and pulls a Teddy on him. If he comes out next year and with the same issues then it's time to start looking towards the next guy to bring in. There is a lot of film on him now and everything isn't known given the situation but what is known is very very concerning and I think that is fair. I personally think Bryce is creating some of these issues, or magnifying them. I was at the Tampa game and it's worse in person, so much worse.

But there is a way. Good video and really spot on and fair.

As a game manager they win. With him as a gunslinger he can be a big liability. I guess they could let him be a gunslinger like he was more with his earlier coaching crew but as a game manager they are winning more and he is more reliable. They have had back to back playoff appearances with him playing that type of game since McCarthy got there and it works best for him. So you are right he can be more than that but he really shouldn't until they don't have a choice like in the playoffs but his record is 2-4 there so I think that supports his best role as a game manager.

Now cut that in half and it's closer to Bryce. They may be most similar in his last year at that half of Brees...

Game managers have moments. It's more about when you go away from that reality with the playcalls you are likely to see why they are game managers. It's 100% true for them all.

It sounds good, the idea and the pitch. It needs a lot of tweaking to have any value given the results of its last use in the NFL. No idea if they can pull it off but the theroy isn't bad. They just push it like a sure thing but it's not yet.

Easy retirement money. 1. Sign giant deal. 2. Piss off Tepper 3. Retire with all of his contract money flowing in for 7 years since it will be guaranteed. He already resigned from the Jets after 1 day and announced it during his introductory press conference. He could pull a Frank faster than Frank did.

Where do you get this from? He is here for at least next year and maybe the year after if Tepper is really stubborn. The idea he will continue to bust the rest of this year changes anything in that reality is fantasy. He will at best be competing and at worst be forced in as a start again next year. Playing the rest of this year changes nothing in that regard. And yes anyone is the answer. It's a lot more than whatever you have convinced yourself of with Bryce playing the rest of the year. Getting something out of any of the line guys or WRs does matter. Is it slim? Sure but it's a lot more realistic than what you are stuck on.

Where there is smoke... Yeah Tepper is looking exactly like some had thought. Go figure. Anyways, it's out now and people are talking a lot more. I guess his new PR bot is also.

Put him in a room with Tepper for 12 hours and I bet 2008 bubbles up to the surface.

And they do it while smiling. Good, keep the heat on the issue. Nothing will change until the players force it in a CBA but it needs to be out there constantly for that to ever happen.