Basbear

So while the debate rages on, anyone/everyone please answer this. Luvu is at a similar pace as last year- Please list the players that had 111 tackles, 19 (TFL)tackle for loss and 7 sacks. He also had an INT return for a TD in 2022 as the cherry on top, but stick to the first three stats. Use the history of the NFL as well. But I will wait, btw he did those insane numbers as a 4-3 OLB another feat in itself.

It was no contest, much like this year. Your my guy and all carl so no disrespect, but did you watch all the games form last year? Plus have you watch this years too?

Yep Ive seen farrr too many unblocked or missed assignments defender get a free sack and act like they won the lotto. Luvu had a couple of them, but hes also destroyed some 340 LB OLman on the way to making a sack or TFL. Luvu is making, no hes willing/forcing the play to happen. Hes stepped up huge in the pass defense this year as well.

It doesnt, but it backed up him being the best defender last year. He constantly making plays, thats what the best ones do. Now he has for 1.5 seasons. This year aside, is this another debate for you about luvu not being the best defender in 2022? He clearly was for the fans that could watch.

Hes my favorite offense player and this season hes getting pushed around like hes cosplaying paradis. Just looks like a different player. He did look better on the double teams with colbert back. I now think Chirst was 10x more important to the OL, seems he was the glue for both icky and boz. Both of them mentally look broken most snaps. Maybe colbert being back and playing zone before will improve this 31st unit.

Yup hes never got over the groin issue form pre-season. Manned up week 1 and the following ones prolonging the healing time, then he got another injury to his shoulder. OL has done him no favors either. About half his runs, hes met in 4 yards in the backfield by 2-4 defenders.

I agree, hes looking a slot in-waiting.......that makes me more upset about him being 39th overall pick. Right now the future looks like a young leading a dink and dunk for mingo and tremble...... fyi mingo is the youngest and tremble is only 23.

i have a huge doubt hes ready in 1 or 2 weeks.

@Varking brother I can not even figure much after 8 games of this unit. Young killed what felt like 55% of the plays when frank was play caller. So whos at fault there for the 18 points per showing?? One game were it took a 4th quarter come back along with a 4th and 2 mid-field, to score 15 points. Thats not much to go on for the good. I do know this- The OL blows dumpster water. Christ was 10x more important than I thought. Too much for a rookie QB and new(to the team/system) WRs to over come a OL unit that can not run block or pass block cause they are too busy committing penalties.

The main debate was Burns or Luvu were/is panthers best defender. I said Luvu was the best last year(clearly). Then I would revisit this after a few&you claimed it was Burns. Besides one first quarter this year, its been ALLLLLLLLLLL LLLuvu ALLLLLLL the time. Last year showed the same show.

Us fans do not get to see the mega work and sacrifice these players put into coming back from was once a career ender/derailer. Some of the players truly love the game, cobert just showed hes one.

Yes I forget what insider said this but, it was like - " Frank and rhule want totally different type players across the team". You can not flip 50 players in one year. It was too much to overcome given the 0-6 start with the weak O and roller coaster D. Nearly a 98% new staff and total new thoughts and system, plus a rookie QB.

Guess the raiders were getting alll upset at Zona being the worse NFL ran team and made a play for that label. at least the panthers are not the raiders or cardinals....

I had too given Luvu playing out of mind, same as last year. Got to open these fans eyes&minds! Plus Id said I would revisit this and well....

finding great 4-3 DEs is ultra hard and may take 10+ years to find one. Wash just traded 2 like a bunch of smooth brains, WTF?!?! No chance RR signed off, I wouldnt have traded one of them. They should have given young his 5th year even with his injury history. Signed sweat(whos better than burns) for the market rate. terrible, of course herniay was on this staff....

Story was he felt disrespected by the panthers offer, especially after he ran hard late into the season. Then he took less to join the bears as result. The RB market is beyond unfair and fitts has been getting allll sort of heat. He doesnt want a 16 million player there nor to invest over the current market rate, no matter how low it is. I agree, feelings get hurt in the process.....

Panthers OL= -42.9 same for all the other games too

this OL is the biggest issue, such a surprise too. ALL of them are playing poorly. When they are not, committing league high in penalties. A rookie QB has to overcome that each series, too much and its week 8 of that BS....

Lwilliams was traded form the giants to the seahawks (2nd and future 5th) Failcons traded for one of phillys 7 DTs, street (swap late picks)

The OL being dogshiit is the biggest mind fug for this year. Ive been telling myself "Ickey, boz, and moton didnt forget how to play OL" for the last 5 weeks now. Best Ive came up with (besides the change to zone), is Christ was 10x more valuable than I thought and hes the #1 glue guy. Plus campy doesnt know how to teach zone technique. The run game is a total joke and I believe they are the most penalized team and thats cause of the OL fuging up non-stop.

Players have more power these days than ever, its a legit topic. I see the star players side of things " why lose my elite traits years rushing back" for a 2-10 season. I also see if the team has them under contract.... It wasnt a secret about how the team allowed or even forced CMC to sit out those late games in a wasted/non-playoff season.