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God dam, someone on the huddle is using their brain!! I like Moton, big time. Just he is NOT good enough to take cap space away form WR, QB, DE, or CB. Its a hard hard choice- hes hard working, no issues off-field, an complete pro with solid production. If he was had a couple years of 1st/2nd team all-pro years, give the man his money.....Dam the cap space...... hes not that guy tho. Incoming contract due to Sam Darnold(I hope), DJ, Moore, Djack, Reddick, ANderson, and Burns....even a couple of them the team will not be able to pay. Hard choices, Moton just priced himself out of the panthers budget and is about to be become a FA is at the best time in NFL history. It happens, I hope the team is using their brains like MHS is...

Just healthy new TV contracts for talented young players. They are not set in stone, rough numbers for future contracts given each is playing at their highest level while healthy(said that in the first part). Its mainly to show all can not be re-signed. If you pay Moton and Darnold, you may have to let Burns or Moore walk. Most here dont see the issue in paying Moton 20. I do whens its RT and hes above average. Id rather use cap space on DE(red/burns), WRs (ander/moore), and even CB(Djack). You feel other-wise. This reminds of everyone calling me insane when saying re-sign Samuel for 3yrs 21 million. Gosh huddle needs a better way to show its history when many are in the hive-mind mode.

I got Ram as 1-3 and Moton as 8-11, not a big difference. Checkout those names and contracts below the top paid, my guy....some are below 10 million and better or as good as Moton. Why are you willing to pay Moton 20+ when other teams are paying less than ten for close to same play? Form what I know you can not cut Shaq after his recent contract reduction, Moved like 8-10 down the road in signing bonus, just like CMC. Again Im paying Burns, Moore, and others long before I get to Moton........My mathz shows room for 10-ish RT, not 20 one. I swear Moton got some of you fooled good, hes above average player and great pro. Hes not irreplaceable or worth 20 million, hes only the 3rd best RT in the NFC south too. 20 Million is 1st team all-pro money..

You are forgetting Paradis and Reddick signed/added years on the contract to lower this years cap number. Its about 13 in dead cap coming for both, plus Boston(around 5ish). You can sign and you know Darnold and Moore want money right now or in 2022. Most teams sign players before the 5th year, just like the recent RT Ram example. Its coming, big big contracts are coming, hide behind that 5th year if you want, they want new deals before it. We do not know the roll over, I think its safe to place the value around 5. Weird math, carry the one...... about 35-43 million, hence my 35-ish comment. If the reports are true about Moton wanting top overall tackle, you people can sign off and support that.. Im going to pay Moore, Burns, and god Im hoping to Darnold a insane amount too. Moton doesnt fit in my formula.

I ask you the same thing as Madwolf Sam Darnold, DJ Moore, Taylor Moton, Brian Burns, Donte Jackson, Hasson Reddick, Robby Anderson. I forgot to mention, theres only 35-ish million in space for 2022.......SOooo think about that when picking and what the market value is. Who are you paying and where would rank Moton form that list? Try to be real in terms of contracts, 35 million is truly tiny. Goodluck paying Moton 18-22 million per and paying Sam 40+, DJ Moore 20+, Burns20+, Jackson 12+, Anderson 15-20, Reddick 15+. Maybe call Mickey Loomis for some tips, idk bro....

I view Ramczyk as better, LOL at most PFFFfff ranking. Id much prefer a rando huddler ranking. I would not be playing that either, just I feel he is a better player. Darrell Williams at 8 million per is more my liking. RT is not in my top half of valued spots. I got QB, WR, LT, C, CB, DE, DT and even TE above. Smart move is play out this year, do the same thing next. Tag is cheaper than 18+ per and make a hard choice in 2023.

That marty cut deeep....hard choices. I replied to your other one. This is a list, who you are willing to pay in order form this list-(for this, say everyone here is playing well) Sam Darnold, DJ Moore, Taylor Moton, Brian Burns, Donte Jackson, Hasson Reddick, Robby Anderson. I forgot to mention, theres only 35-ish million in space for 2022.......SOooo think about that when picking and what the market value is. In cap terms, theres a firm limit. Everyone in the list above needs big money now/very soon. Where is Moton?

Wear and tear is a real thing, some it doesnt matter and other normal people it does. Your joints, tendons, cartilage, etc all have limit before problems start. Thats when you should have been doing all the prevent stuff in your 20s, that many start doing in their 30s and go "O I should have been doing this at the start". You got like/love pain or be good friends with it to play NFL.

Personally no if its north of tag. It a hard choice, Moton is what you want in a NFL player. I just do not view him as a top 3 RT/T/OL. Hes just below the great ones and it would not wise to over pay at one of the lesser valued potions......just like the panthers have already done at RB and LB. Its a tough choice, I just dont view him or the position he plays as top self. Darrel williams is a name us panthers fans know, he just signed that contract this year- Thats more like were I want to be at RT. He played great last too, shame panthers forced him to play LT when Moton should have been there. Panthers could have solved their OTs if they did that. OL needs rebuilding with or without Moton too. Brown, Moore, and Christ are a start, in fact christ maybe the new RT was the coming reports. I say if you sign DJ moore and Moton still wants 18+, tag him again. Then look at the trade market for his league value or play out another year on the tag and let him walk. Let me ask you who would you rather spend cap space on DJ Moore or Moton? For me Moton is down the line after many like Burns(coming soon) and if Darnold is the choosen one, he needs about 40 million in cap space very soon too. Id go as far as picking Robby Anderson over Moton in the short term cap space game. Djack is another, simply not enough for everyone.....like I said hard choices.

If you look back at most panthers 1st round picks, they are the youngest in the draft. Feels like Shaq has been in the NFL for 12 years, but really its 6 and he just turned 26 years old. Burns, Brown, CMC, and Moore who was 2 years younger than ATLs Riley. One of my coaches did over a years worth of research into strength. He found a mans strongest years are 26-32. He said most are too hardheaded in their 20s to listen and by the they get "it" their prime years are in the past. Many can still be strong after 32, cause they also got much wiser too. Most young NFLers dont care about sleep, nutrition, nervous system, correct supplementation, good recovery, good habits, etc etc. Rhule does seem to focus on most of these, but trying to get young men to listen/buy in is the issue.

I heard reports Moton wants top LT money a while back. Unless hes changed his tune, hard pass form me. I dont even know if I'd agreed to 15 per and half guaranteed, you can not pay every single spot TOP money. Somebody has make the hard choices. RT is not in the top half of "pay that man his money" positions. If moton was a yearly top 1-3 RT, I would change my tune, but hes not. Plus given the big brains at panthers office have already paid LB Shaq and RB CMC too much, it would add the problem of wasting money at lesser-valued spots to pay Moton 18-20 per for 8th best RT play.

LOL, suuuure. I got moton at the 8-11 best RT in the game, hogwash hes the best 11th best overall. Did moton's agent slip this guy a 100$? Following up with what I posted in the other threads Ramczyk >> Moton Simply you can not pay every single spot TOP money, somebody has make the hard choices. RT is not in the top half of "pay that man his money" positions. If moton was a yearly top 1-3 RT, I would change my tune, but hes not. Plus given the big brains at panthers office have already paid LB Shaq and RB CMC too much, it would add to the problem of wasting money at lesser-valued spots to pay Moton 18-20 per for 8th best RT play.

Ramczyk >> Moton Simply you can not pay every single spot TOP money, somebody has make the hard choices. RT is not in the top half of "pay that man his money" positions. If moton was a yearly top 1-3 RT, I would change my tune, but hes not. Plus given the big brains at panthers office have already paid LB Shaq and RB CMC too much, it would add the problem of wasting money at lesser-valued spots to pay Moton 18-20 per for 8th best RT play.

Thats true. Im talking about the off-season when the roster gos up to 90, 1st time missing gross, some no-name invite got his number. Gross talked about on one of his pods, "Well I know what the team thinks of me now..." was one of his comments. Some teams wait years before the number is issued again. I share what many in this thread feel about too many numbers retired. I said sam mills number shouldnt be retired years ago and poop-nuked. Honestly the only numbers that should be retired in the their sports are- 99 in hockey, 42 baseball and thats about it. NBA Bill russell, MJ, KAJ, wilt all have claim to this as well, just hard to pick one over the others. NFL ughhhh once Tom brady finally leaves his number should be retired as well, jim brown didnt stay long enough. Well I like to add to my first 99 and 42 comment, Jerry Rice's 80 should be retired as well. He deserves that honor as well. Id put LT on here too, if not for off-field BS. If Aaaron Darold keeps up his insane pace for another 5-7 years, retire that bad mans number too. Frankly I think NOT retiring numbers gives them more power.

If he doesnt get a freak injury, I feel bad for all OGs/Cs that have to stop him. Honestly all it takes is Brown to take a huge step forward and Offenses have to start giving him the aaron darnold treatment. He could do it.

Yea the numbers game, its a hot button topic mainly. I think you need to be have like 93% of a early HOF career in one team to retire a number. I know after gross leftd, they gave out his number that off-season. Its weird at times too, if a few people had their way some teams would struggle having enough numbers for a full team. Maybe its time to add letters, it would be a money maker for greedy mofos I bet.

I blasted the QB group some, I mean who are the backup QBs ranked 26-32?? I mean its proven the Sam darnold has to carry the group, the same Sam Darnold thats finished 32,33, and 30th at seasons end. PJ feels like he should be on the PS at best. IMO if you have a playoff team, backup QB is in the top five needs. Panthers are maybe one year away and regardless need to upgrade the talent in the QB room. Like many of the groups, Im in wait and see mode. But if Darnold busted hardcore this season, get rid of all the QBs and Rhule is on his final QB lotto card as being the panthers HC imo.

I know Kungfu is bringing the makers mark. If no one brings other boozes, I got a few bottles of costco's finest wine i could share. Start on the makers, end on the cheap stuff when taste doesnt matter.. Also need someone on desserts even though theres NO CHANCE at all Id save room given all the meats and veg in this wonderful thread. Times I miss having a garden and other I dont, I was about to declare war on the deer and walmart always had cheap veg in stock each day.

@saX man please brother, bring some top self "stuff"...... For those who are willing to partake. Also need someone to bring the white claws....

YGM is my guy........only thing I heard about him just he acts young even compared to young people. If he was in this past draft, Im about 98% sure he would have been a 1st given the lack of talent form DE/edge pool. If the light switch gets flipped on this year..... panthers will give any teams issues this year on both sides of the ball. He should be able to play inside some too.

LOL, I use to despise mayo. Like the thought made me dry heave.......older and older I got...more and more women would always twist my arm about trying it. Like break my balls and give me poo about it while comparing to something totally different. Dam witches got to me...... Im at the point were I like a nano thin spread on my BLTs now and I can eat potato salad as well, without playing mind games with myself.... But in keeping with the thread intentions, MAYO is allowed at the E-Q!! I'll bring it with my cooler, I'll even bring the southern snob elitist stuff....-

MUCH thanks to thee grill host @Captain Morgan ! Please follow his message and words- I encourage the sharing of pics, recipes, and stories. Frankly I had enough of the constant divide happening among us panther fans. So I offer some huddlers to end to their silly point-less fighting. If you have a beef with a fellow panther fan, please please please use this thread as a opportunity to bring it to a end. Already some tasty looking pictures, my stomach growled at me viewing this thread! So for the e-Q, I'll bring one of my backup grills for the vegans to use.

Was 54 the all-time highest as well? dang theres no sort of web-site thats has dead cap history... Not long ago 30 million was the highest most years, what a poor ran team.......living jokes. I believe my statement is right until someone can prove its false. I honestly dont blame Luke on Herniay, while his contract was re-done a couple times(pushing money in the future years) luke didnt seem like the type to early retire. Still other moves are unforgivable.

@SizzleBuzz where are you in the "tepper could move the team" realm?

I can not prove this, but willing to bet no other team has a higher two year dead cap total than the panthers have form 2020-2021. I bet not team comes within 20 million, @Toomers or @stbugs any chance Im right? Sad part is they can add to the dead cap this year and if not for trading Carson Wertz, Panthers would be leading AGAIN!! Bloody hell herniay........curse you!!!