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I mean Young was trying to put on weight before the combine to "have a frame that's going to hold up." So I guess someone needs to tell him that lower weight doesn't mean more injury? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10062995-mcshay-bryce-young-working-on-trying-to-get-up-to-210-pounds-ahead-of-nfl-draft

Correct again a much larger sample size. He stated because Young was small and did great in college will be small and be great in the NFL. Heisman winning QBs usually struggle (Burrow/Cam aside) at the next level despite their size. Young's heisman (from a data view) is not a great thing.

Most QBs fall into a certain height/weight range. So looking at previous data (especially when dealing with one as unique as Young) seems pointless to me. My point is if we want to review this OP's data and claim Young will be healthy I can pull other data showing he will suck. Too many variables like how good was the OL, What kind of offense did they run, what was the injury etc...

Eric Crouch, Baker Mayfield, Johnny Manziel, and Troy Smith all crushed it as undersized college QBs. How did that work out for them?

No this data shows that smaller QBs won't be as successful in the NFL. That a player of Young's size will be less accurate and throw less TDs than a player 6'2" or taller. This is all about relating physical data to QB success right? Or does it only count when he helps the particular player you are wanting?

Yeah to me height/overall size is more important than weight.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/147430-the-quarterback-position-does-size-matter OK so according to this shorter QBs are going to be much less accurate and throw less TDs? Again most QBs are going to fall into the 6'2" and over group so I think the data is going to be heavily skewed.

Yeah if 99% of QB starters are over 6' tall then most injuries are going to occur to QBs over 6' tall... I mean I'm not sure what this data is suppose to prove?

I mean you asked. At his size his is strictly a shotgun QB and I would be very careful with QB sneaks for that one yard. I think our staff is good enough to use him correctly and cater the offense to his strengths, but it will be limited to a degree.

I think that's spot on. He probably wasn't accustomed to pressure with that OSU OL in front of him. Once teams were able to get some pressure on him, he started adjusting his play style. I have nothing against Young. I think he is a phenom on the college level, I just rank Stroud higher as a NFL prospect but think Young can still be great. I have it close enough to where I would be happiest if we could get Houston to move up and take whoever they don't want plus the extra picks.

Then why even throw? Did Carolina specifically ask him to throw? Of course not. These teams are just down here to observe the players and get to know them. He was also throwing the deep ball to show he has enough arm strength. Why did he do that? I find it hard to believe anyone thinks he weighs was Murray weighs looking at them side by side.

Plays under center.

I think it's overblown with Stroud. He had the best rating in all of college football even with his "bad pressure" numbers. He wasn't terrible under pressure, just dropped from his crazy high no pressure rating. He honestly didn't experience enough pressure early on. UGA brought the heat and you see what he did there.

The ironic thing about that is NOT weighing in was much more of a distraction than if he simply did like everyone else. It made him look like he was hiding something if he wasn't.

He definitely does some great things on the field. Honestly if Stroud was sitting right there I would be all in on Young. I just think both are great at processing and ball placement. One seems limited (to a degree) on what you can run offensively due to his size and the other doesn't. That's the only reason I am leaning Stroud. Take away Stroud and Young's the guy by a mile.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/23/bryce-young-declines-to-weigh-in-at-pro-day-workout/ "It’s a clunky, goofy way to obscure the truth. And the truth is that, whatever Young currently weighs, he fears the number is low enough that it will hurt his final draft position." Weighing in takes seconds and have zero risk of injury. Not to mention it is very relevant to his frame concerns. Not buying it and neither are most scouts. The fact you are so adamant about him weighing over 200 shows how much of a concern it can be. What's wrong with him weight 180/190? Those have even less injury examples right?

That part worries me at the next level. Having to scramble around to see over OL to see a throwing lane. The NFL is a game of inches and also a game of seconds. He is great at processing, but the extra second he needs to run around and find a lane could be crucial. I like him as a prospect, but he is far from a sure thing due to his limitations IMO.

Then why not simply weigh in at his Pro Day? Also why do nothing but weigh in at the combine? I think people that are die hard Young WANT to believe he plays over 200, because a 180lb QB would be off the charts. I'm not sure it really matters, but I have a hard time believing he weighs what he weighed in at during the combine. Even during the interview he was asked if this was his actual playing weight... Murray for example is at 207. I have a hard time believing Young weighs the same.

That's kind of how I feel and I really didn't think it was a question, but people keep saying he plays at 200 plus. Hell he was still on his "diet" when he ate dinner with our staff.

Also it's a much smaller (no pun intended) sample size. QBs under 6ft that have started and played in a lot of games seems very small. Murray (who has battled injuries, but runs a lot and hasn't played long) and Russ (who has stayed healthy) just off the top of my head. Obviously you are going to find more injuries for QBs 6'2" plus because a huge majority of starting QBs fall into this category.

Honest question. Do you really think his playing weight is above 200?

It's a real big question mark. I have seen many top picks have great elusiveness in college, but not so much in the NFL. If we draft him I will definitely be holding my breath when a Myles Garrett lands on him. Now if he can keep that elusiveness then he could be special. I'm not sure about that whole pocket passer increasing injury risk. Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Brady, and Brees were pocket passers that were quick to get the ball out and they rarely got hurt. Cam had no left tackle and held the ball too long (probably due to his elusiveness). I've seen a lot of these pocket guys simply throw the ball away when pressure gets rough to live to fight another day which isn't a bad thing...

Yeah and I am not sure you want him taking snaps from under center. He never really did in college. I mean his size will be outside the data range of successful QBs, so it's really hard to estimate what that looks like. People keep bringing up Brees, but Bress has like 2 inches and 20ish pounds on Young. Comparing Brees's size to Young is like comparing Mahomes's size to Brees. It's still more significant than some people are thinking on here.

I will say this too. He seems very good at taking hits as funny as that sounds. I noticed he really kind of gives himself up and kind of absorbs the hit. Those type of hits are usually pretty mild. Someone on here compared it to drunk drivers rarely getting as injured because their bodies are relaxes the whole time. I also think his size is going to limit some of our play calling, but if he excels at what he does I am not sure that matters as much.

For Young I think it is size combined with his playing style. Running around extending plays is awesome, but it definitely leads to extra hits. So it's the size plus the number of hits he takes. You also don't want to take that part of his game away because that is where he excels. If he was a pocket guy that got the ball out quickly and avoided hits, the size wouldn't be as much of a concern (like Drew Brees).