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I was about to type the same thing until I saw your post. Honestly, I think they may well be on the way to building something special in Detroit. That franchise has been mediocre for so long that I'd like to see them succeed. With Rodgers aging, the Vikings continously falling short when it matters most, and the Bears being the Bears, the Lions could rule that division for the next several years.

I'm about to have lunch and I have Colin Cowherd on in the background. He just spoke about how well Daboll has done this year in NY. He even insinuated that some of Josh Allen's turnovers and bad decision making is a result of not having Daboll in Buffalo to reign him in a bit with his coaching. He also said teams with a good coach/QB combination will always be competitive. We need to first find a coach (an offensive minded one I hope); and then let him pick the QB that he wants to work with. If he wants a guy in this draft we should try get him. If he has reservations, we need to trust his judgment. You don't want a a new coach straddled with a QB he feels uncomfortable working with.

It could be both sir. I definitely think the latter suggestion in your post is part of it. If minorities are interviewed and don't get hired the Franchise/Owner can always say "We gave him an opportunity, but the other guy was better suited or qualified." But let's look at this from another angle. A minority guy who might not normally get an interview could come in an ace the interview. So much so that the owner and GM are blown away and could say, "He may not have been my first choice but this guy is special. I'd hate to see him end up coaching another team in the NFL." From what I remember, the Steelers had that type of experience with Tomlin when he interviewed for that job almost two decades ago he still hasn't had a losing season.

I feel that the Rooney was well intentioned. A lot of guys have received interviews who wouldn't have if it were not in place. But, I understand your viewpoint. Let's say I was a minority candidate who specializes in defense. An owner is looking to hire a coach and he's already showed signs that he has a guy in mind or wants a offensive minded coach. I wouldn't want to waste my time interviewing for the position just because he has to "interview an A.A/Hispanic/Asian " to be in compliance with the Rooney Rule. I'd only go if I thought that particular franchise would be a good place to work as defensive staff coach and I wanted to get my foot in the door. This reminds me of 2018. I was disappointed with the way Mr. Richardson handled the "G.M." search after he axed Gettlemen. He interviewed 3 A.A. candidates (Martin Mayhew, Lake Dawson, and Jimmy Raye III), Ryan Cowden, and Marty Hurney, who was serving as interim GM. We all know how that turned out in the end. Those interviews were a sham and were conducted to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Yet, the draft pick thing has some flaws as well. Something seems weird about saying that you get more draft choices because your hired a minority coach. We could have been scheduled to get pick 66, but lose it to another team because they hired Leftwhich or Beienemy. Or, imagine hiring a minority who is the 2nd coming of a Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, the 2 Bills (Parcells or Belichik), Shula, or Gibbs and pair him with a shrewd GM. He'll come in with several extra bullets in the chamber and could dominate the league in a matter of years

I would like to clarify something that I may not have made clear in an earlier post. If a player is hurt (especially if the injury is knee related) I am not in favor of him playing and risking further or possibly permanent damage. I took issue with people saying the reason Lamar isn't playing because the Ravens refuse give him a good deal. First, Lamar could really be hurt and may need to sit until he's healthy. Second, it's not fair though to say the Ravens should have given him a deal already. They offered him a deal and he turned it down. If I were in his shoes I wouldn't have stepped on the field without a deal in 2022. But, I also wouldn't have insisted on "getting what Deshaun got". If I got something in the range of what Allen, Prescott, Murray, Mahomes, etc were averaging per year I would have taken it. However, I may have asked for a short deal so I could renegotiate it after the 3rd year.

I don't think everyone would do what Lamar is doing. It depends on their mentality. Some people care more about than anything. Others don't. Lamar has already made $32,774, 549. He's not exactly starving. If I were in his situation knew I was assured of making anywhere between $150-200 million over the next 4-5 years while I was still in my mid 20's (Lamar is only 26) I could care less about "setting the market". I'd more concerned about pleading with ownership to get some players so I can get the one thing missing on my resume, A SB ring. Most of us saw that game last night. If Lamar had played last night and had a Tyreek Hill, Justin Jefferson, or a Cooper Cupp to play along side his TE Mark Edwards I don't think the Bengals would have beat them last night. The back up ,Huntley, may have won that game going away if he had a big threat WR and he's not even as good as Lamar. Jackson is a freak of nature. Add another couple of freakish WR's to go along with that power running game and they can go toe to toe with anyone in the AFC at home or on the road. He'd be 30 or 31 when that deal expired. Barring injury, he'd be young enough to get another blockbuster deal. I wouldn't want to play for chump change (relative to QB's of course). But I think I could scrape by $40 mil per year and the huge signing bonus I'd receive up front.

I tend to agree to with you to point. My issue is with the disparity between QB salaries and the rest of the positions. One guy shouldn't be taking 25% of the cap when you have 52 other guys to play. If everyone's salary was rising at the same rate in proportion with revenue and the salary the league would be a lot better. You'd have less cap casualties and these 22-26 year olds wouldn't have so much pressure to win SBs on their rookie deals before it's time to "pay them".

Yo The greed of NFL QBs and their agents and idiot ownership is what is upsetting the balance of the league. I have no problem with the best person at his position setting the market. I have a problem with the next man up setting the market because it leads to financial chaos. The Watson deal was dumb. One owners foolishness shouldn't determine the salary structure for the entire NFL. Guys are wanting 50 mil a year to play QB on a 53 man roster with a salary cap of approximately $200 million. That doesn't make sense on any level. It's unfortunate that guys get cut before the contract expires, but those guys aren't walking away empty handed. They get huge signing bonuses up front and a significant portion of those contracts are guaranteed. I heard one former GM all big contracts are essentially 3-4 deals. That's not the worst thing when you're making millions of dollars over that time period.

He was already under contract for the 2022 season. What's courageous about honoring the last year of a deal that you signed after you refused a generous contract extension?

Didn’t they make a couple of solid offers that he turned down because he wanted more money and a fully guaranteed contract. How is this entirely on the Ravens?

Your point is valid to a point. But you have to also consider the following points. 1) We didn’t exactly have a genius holding down the GM spot when those guys were drafted. Hurney signed two running backs to max deals in a passing league. He would trade away first round picks to move up in later rounds. Marty wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer when it came to building a competitive roster. 2) We’ve never had an offensive head coach in our 27 year history. Some of those guys may have had panned out with solid coaching, or may not have been drafted in the first place because a good coach may have realized that they just didn’t have it.

Just look at how well Goff progressed from 2021 to 2022 with Johnson as his coordinator. I’d risk taking a QB high in the draft if an offensive mastermind was tutoring the guy. We’ve never really had that in Carolina because of our insistence on hiring defensive coaches. If we drafted a QB in round one (or later) I’d feel comfortable. I don’t think Johnson would draft a guy that he didn’t think would be a competent In his system. I also believe he’s the type of guy who could get the most out of Sam Darnold “if” we resigned him to hold things down until our new guy was ready. Or, he could be a guy that could develop Matt Corrall into a legitimate starter. I think most of us would be on board with this scenario, but it would suck for Detroit. A small part of me would like to see the product that He and Dan Campbell would put on the field if they had another couple of years together.

The Eagles won a Super Bowl without Carson Wentz while using a backup. He’s fallen off the radar these days, but Nick Foles had a nice run down the stretch to lead them over Brady and Belichek. Pederson’s scheme and that team in general was tailor made for Foles, who always played well in Philly for some reason but not nearly as good elsewhere.

It depends on the mindset of the individuals. It’s not always about the money for some people. 1) He may genuinely love the college life and wants go for another shot at a national title. 2) He may feel that there are things about his game that need improvement or he believes he could benefit from reps he’d get over the course of another season 3) He could have a desire to be one of the all time greats and doesn’t want to start his career already behind the eight ball. The past/current history of the Texans isn’t that impressive, especially in terms of how things ended for their 1st round QBs (David Carr and Deshaun Watson). And, the roster leaves a lot to be desired. Can anyone on this board name 4 players on either side of the ball. I know I can’t. I see your point. But if I were in his shoes I’d strongly consider staying for another year if I knew the Texans (or a woeful franchise in general) were determined to get pick me in the top 3-5 picks and it was within my power to keep that from happening. What good is all the money in the world if you hate going to work everyday because your team sucks or you wake up everyday in constant pain because of the beating you take week in and week out (ex: David Carr and Andrew Luck)?

In theory, I agree with both of you. If a good prospect is on the board when we pick, or if we can made a reasonable deal to move up and take one I’d be all in. My original post said we shouldn’t reach on a questionable player. If the top 5 rated QBs in this draft were Jamarcus Russell, Josh Rosen, Ryan Leaf, David Klinger, and Andre Ware I’d be a little weary of selecting one of them in the top 10. Yet, there are guys on this board who would jump out of a window if we didn’t select one of them screaming “You only find franchise QBs in the top 10 in the draft! We need to tank next year to make sure we get one!” If a team 1) lacks depth and solid players on both sides or the ball, 2) has mediocre/bad coaching or a Stone Age mentality in terms of their offensive scheme, and 3) an incompetent front office it doesn’t matter who is behind center. You won’t win consistently. All of the teams that compete for the playoffs on a consistent basis tend to have all of the above (or at least 2 of the 3) in place. A later round choice who puts in the work, who is coachable, and has above average if not elite talent, can thrive in the above environment. Unfortunately we’ve never had all 3 in place. We’ve never had an offensive minded head coach. The passing game tends to take a backseat to the rushing attack because of the mindset of out defensive oriented head coaches. Our front office as a whole tends to do well in the top of the draft, but for most or existence we had Hurney running too many of our drafts and he was terrible after the blue chip prospects were off the board. All of the above results in never having back to back winning seasons in 28 NFL seasons.

Due to his injury Lance is not currently starting so I left him off the list. Lance is on the roster, but let’s be honest. Over the last two years his presence/play has not significantly affected the 49ers regular season and playoff status. If they hadn’t drafted him they would still have two playoff draft appearances, all of those Draft choices they gave up to acquire him, and still be poised to move forward for the next several seasons with a young QB on a rookie deal.

That sir is an interesting piece of information. Any chance you could list those guys for an enquiring mind?

Which means he more than likely would avoid going to a terrible team like the Houston Texans. It doesn’t really matter where a QB get drafted in the first round compared to the other guys in his class. What matters is where you go. You think Lamar Jackson is upset that Mayfield, Darnold, and Josh Rosen was taken before him in 2018? He went to a better organization despite being drafted later and has been far more successful than the above 3 players.

True, but several of these guys were drafted outside the top 5. Their teams didn't "tank" to get them. Mahomes (#10) and Allen (#7) went to teams that made the playoffs the year before they got there. The Ravens were 9-7 the year before Lamar Jackson got there. Jackson was the 5th QB chosen in his draft class. Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith his first year. Lamar sat for half of his 1st year backing up Joe Flacco. The above 3 weren't drafted by scrubb teams and the FO didn't mortage their future away and weaken the long term plans to get them. Herbert is a stud, but he still hasn't won a playoff game. I don't see how they lost that game to JAX tonight. Tua is proving to be injury prone as expected. He has had his moments, but all of us realize that he may not be long for the NFL with his all of his injuries and concussions. Burrow is the real deal. Nuff said. Trevor is shaking off the stench of Urban Meyer and seems poised to take off, especally after tonight's improbable win. Still, he looked pretty pedestrian until Doug Pederson was hired to coach him. - In terms of potential they are more talented than the top 7 in the NFC, but potential means nothing in the grand scheme of things. This group needs to win several SB's over the next several years to live up to expectations. So far they are a combined 1-2 in the Super Bowl.

This isn't football related, but your post made me think of the LA Lakers. This team hardly ever wins championships with the centers they draft. Since the 1960's I think they've only drafted one Center who who a focal point on their championship team. The team acquired Wilt Chamberlain in the late 60's and won a title in 1972. They got Kareem from Milwaukee in the 1970s and went on to win 5 titles in the 80's. The traded for Shaq and he teamed with Kobe to win 3 titles. They drafted Andrew Bynum who was pivotal in helping Kobe win his last two titles with the Lakers. The team won their last title in 2020 when they traded for Anthony Davis to help Lebron win his 4th title. I wish it were that easy to acquire championship caliber QB's thru trades in the NFL.

But...but... according to Killer Kat Stafford doesnt' count because he didn't win it with his orignal team On a serious note, Stafford actually proves that a 1st round pick needs to be in the right situation to thrive. Before the trade to LA he couldn't even win a playoff game in Detroit. As soon as he got to a good team in LA (Good coach, Good o-line, skill players, and solid defense) he wins 3 playoff games in a row and a SB ring.

No, it isn't a dumb thread. The post simply shows that in the NFC, our conference, only one of the starting QB's in the playoffs was drafted in the first round. Why does it matter of they're on their original team? Some people act like if we don't trade up to get Stroud (who may not even come out this year) or Bryce Young then we are destined to spend the rest of the decade in QB purgatory. That isn't necessarily the case. The 49ers gave away a slew of picks to draft guy who has contributed nothing to their playoff runs the last two years. If their 6th round pick keep playing like this Lance may not even get his starting job back next year. Most of us want an offensive minded coach in 2023. We have enough talent on this team that some pundits feel we may be the most desirable landing spots for a coach this season. I think the right coach could find a player after the 1st round who fits his scheme and develop him into a solid player. If an offensive minded coach drafts the wrong player we'll still be in QB purgatory. I don't ,nor do most of us cautious Huddlers, have a problem picking a QB in the 1st round. My post said we shouldn't reach for a questionable player just to address the position.

Only two QB's on that list have played in a Super Bowl so far. They have a combined total of one SB win and 1-2 overall record in the big game. Now, I expect that to change in the future, but it may not change this season. When they're playing their A-game, the Eagles, 49ers, and Vikings can beat any of those teams on a neutral field. Heck, if Brady somehow lucked his way to another SB with that medicore Tampa team, he could still light any of those teams up. Tampa just destroyed KC in the SB two years ago.

Thanks for pointing that out. May bad.

Nope. But, he is just as likely to win a SB as Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields.