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They weren't giving up Minshew until they had a good look at Lawrence, so he was never an option for Carolina due to timing. Wouldn't have hated it though.

It's Teddy Time.

Teddy sucks, and his suckage does not mean that Brady, Rhule, and others (such as players they hitched their wagons to like Teddy, Sam, Whitehead, etc) don't suck as well. If the offense continues to be crap then it will make it more clear just how far the suckage extends and can hopefully be fixed.

I suspect they did it much earlier in the week and are just now announcing, or at the very least were planning contingencies/the path forward throughout the week.

I think the difference here though is that the picks being discussed were at a glaring position of need that continues to be an Achilles heel. DT (assuming Brown isn't completely flaming out) and CB were definitely improved with these picks, but OT and the OL is by far the crappiest unit on the field. There was clear logic and reason to take those tackles over who they did and yet they didn't.

$4MM or more of that is dependent on Carolina winning the Super Bowl and Cam being named MVP, so it's realistically about $6MM.

And tens of millions to Rhule players such as Teddy, Sam, Eli Apple, Tahir Whitehead, Cameron Erving, Pat Elflein...

If he's legitimately considering going back to a college job IMO that's a big indicator that he needs to be in college and not the NFL, even if only in the near term. Dude should just jet on out if that's the case.

Hakeem Nicks drove down the street that one time though.

And Steve Wilks, Eric Washington, Mike Shula that were of his own choosing. A push at best, but arguably more damaging at the end of his tenure and done to himself.

Guy had 8.5 years with some of the most talented Panthers to ever wear the jersey and couldn't string together 2 winning seasons. If he does it in Washington then good for him, but there were as many troughs as peaks. Ultimately need better than that, even if it's a bit tough to find.

Yup. Good guy, sometimes good coach, was time to make a change. Looking like the team came up on the losing end of the bet this time so we'll see what the future holds.

I assume they would, particularly the bigger names like Snow. They likely wouldn't be retained in Carolina and I'm not sure anything has been put on film that would compel folks to add them to their NFL staffs at any level comparable to where they'd be with Rhule in college.

Whoa, that's one hell of a typo; I've no idea why I wrote that. Tepper/Hurney is what I meant and what it should obviously be, and the overall sentiment doesn't change.

I daresay the general pubic is not aware of this. I live in KC and most folks here aren't aware of it, so the attention he would draw as an HC would absolutely bring it to light on a broad scale. The local backlash on Britt Reid, particularly once his history came to light, was not insignificant.

Always knew that was a possibility but hoped it wouldn't be the case. Unfortunately, looking like Gettleman chose poorly. Really need to get some folks with credible NFL experience more involved with this football operation, and perhaps Fitterer and Morgan were the start of that.

How is that even possible at the NFL level? Like, that's so bad it seems like an active effort to fail.

Rhule/the staff sucking and Teddy being a crap starter aren't mutually exclusive by any means. The difference last year was that Teddy had years of film on him and the Carolina staff still had some benefit of the doubt. This year though, Rhule and Brady in particular just really seem out of their depth. With respect to Teddy's comments, it was still a weak move to toss it out as he did, even worse since it was sandwiched with an 'i don't make excuses, but...'. Moving on was absolutely the right move but that doesn't mean Rhule, Brady, etc al don't suck as well.

Yup. Appaloosa Model on full display today.

It does not look effortless today.

An no holding call vs Reddick there.

Moore has slipped this year, no question. I feel it's an aberration though.

I completely forgot that he coached Chicago.

Eh, Mangum had some big quads. In Fox's mind that probably counted.

Pretty sure it was you who said this exact nonsense when Teddy's contract was being discussed and lo and behold, Teddy agreed to a major restructure for less money because he stood to gain in the big picture. Sam doesn't even have to give up any money in this scenario like Teddy did. It's all speculation at this point anyway. There are a lot of different possibilities that certainly include Sam still being around next year, and this thread is just one of them.