PleaseCutStewart

100% this Sadly, I'm on the train of don't go QB if young or stroud are gone, but let's not pretend the same thing won't happen next year with williams and maye (who I'm not sold on), and the a few other guys that will be the same tier as Levis and Richardson predraft...

CJ stroud falls to us at #9 Ill also take trading up to #6 for our 1st and the SF 2nd rounder we have Unfortunately neither will happen

RBs that are elite at both running and receiving are the only RBs I would even consider in the 1st round. I personally wouldn't with how many other needs we have + how many good RBs in the NFL were drafted in later rounds.

If we didn't want him with the #8 pick 2 years ago and he went (i think) 15th, then why would we give away our 9th pick this year when he has looked worse than when he was in college...

It is going to take way more than that to go to #1. It would probably take our 1st and 2nd (39) this year and a 1st in 2024 and 2025 before we are even listened to.

Don't like any of those trade scenarios. If we do trade, I say we go for 5 if Stroud (or Young) falls and that way it won't cost us an arm and a leg. No way I am trading to #1 and I think it will still take a lot to get #3 from the Cardinals.

Chiefs made that look easy. Not good if KC can run and throw it at will against them

1 QB will cost us about 6 mill to keep. The other QB would cost us a 1st rounder to get. Yeah, I'd rather have the QB we can get for cheap and not give up a 1st for a QB that will be useless once his speed deteriorates

Yep, 1 is way more mobile than the other one. Otherwise, they are pretty much the same passer. That being said, Fields is already showing signs of not being able to stay healthy because he runs the ball 15+ times a game. Not saying Darnold is great, but Fields is not the answer at QB and the fact that people want us to give up our 1st rounder (or more) for him is just moronic.

Take away the Saints outlier and it's about 62% And if completion percentage is how we are going to judge QBs, then yikes. You want to know who had a good completion percentage last year? Matt Ryan. The same Matt Ryan that got benched twice for Sam Ehlinger and Nick Foles... The stats I liked a lot more. Only 3 INTs in 6 games (only 1 if you ignore the Saints stinker). Huge jump in career best in Yards/Att, Yards/Completion, TD%, INT%, and QB Rating. I could care less about your completion percentage if you are just throwing check downs on 2nd/3rd and long. Also keep in mind his passing stats don't include any games with CMC, who will make any QB look a lot better than they are.

The Darnold that threw for 350 yards and kept us in the game when our trash corners were getting beat like a drum by Mike Evans? I'll take that Sam every day of the week. Just weird to say the Saints game and the Tampa game are the real Darnold when both were so vastly different for him...

I'm pretty sure Fields had multiple games where he threw for under 100 yards. Yet the forum seems to think he is the next Tom Brady... Bad games happen. He was one of the only reasons we had a chance to win the Bucs game the week before...

Well said and completely agree. Yes, he had a stinker for the Saints game (lets face it - I knew the team would look bad after the demoralizing loss to Tampa to miss the playoffs and somehow the Saints still outsucked us), but the dude pretty much did everything we could ask of any non-top 10 QB the other 5 games he played. And that's with an absolute moron calling plays for us on offense. I would be curious to see how Sam would look with an injury-free offseason with a competent OC/coach and an upgrade at skill position players (either a TE or possession WR to complement DJ). Sam is not a great QB, but I think he can be solid while we (hopefully) draft our QB and give him a yearish to develop

Any chance we can get Winston for super cheap? I'd take a chance on him as a bridge QB until whoever we (hopefully) draft is ready.

Definitely less dysfunctional that the last 4 years. But with Tepper at the helm, I will assume we will be dysfunctional until he decides to sell.

Glad he gets to go to a team that isn't completely dysfunctional like our franchise. GL to Wilks

Random stat with the middle of the field passes. My counter argument to that is why throw it down the middle of the field when you can just throw it over the top against CJ & Taylor... I think our defense didn't look any better the back half of the schedule,which is surprising since our offense was actually somewhat competent and not a trainwreck like the first half of the year.

Because they are the Raiders... When was the last time that franchise made a smart decision? Like the 90s? The Raiders want to make Carr the scapegoat for why they sucked last year when he was far from the reason. There is a reason that many of his teammates were pissed off when he was benched the last 2 games of the year. Again, I want us to get our franchise QB in the draft, but Carr is far from a bridge QB in my opinion. I really hope he doesn't go to a team in our division.

We also don't have a terrible oline and one of the worst defenses in the NFL like the Raiders do. And pretty sure Waller and Renfrow were hurt a good half of the year. I don't get the hate for Carr. Yes, I'd rather draft our QB than go after a FA, but Carr is better than a bridge QB IMO. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing that he has the most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL since 2015, which gives you an idea of how terrible their defense has been since 2015. It's not his fault he played for probably the most dysfunctional NFL team for his entire career so far that has made countless terrible draft picks and many terrible FA signings.

I wouldn't say height is a complete non-issue. It's tough for the smaller QBs to not have their passes batted down by linemen at the LOS on shorter routes. Mechanics can help negate that issue some (higher release point when throwing), but being 5'11" in the pocket vs. 6'3" in the pocket makes quite the difference. Think about how many passes Baker had deflected at the line and he has about 2 inches on Bryce.

If stroud goes 1, then I say pass on the rest unless they fall to #9. That being said, I'm apparently 1 of the few big in stroud

Let someone else trade up to #1. Our goal should be trade to #3 if we think Stroud is taken 4th or trade to #5 if we think the Colts will draft Levis. To get to #1 from where we are, we are possibly looking at having to give up our 1st round pick this year, 2nd round (39) this year, SF 2nd rounder, 1st round pick next year, and 1st round pick in 2025. Just not worth it IMO. To get to #5, I think we could get away with trading #9 and next year's 1st (or #9 and #39), depending on how many offers Seattle gets. #3 would probably take something like #9, #39, SF 2nd rounder, and SF 3rd round (or #9, next year's 1st, SF 2nd rounder, SF 3rd round). I think with several teams fighting 2 or 3 QBs, you could see some bidding wars to move up. The Saints win moving us back from #7 to #9 probably equals the cost of having to give away the SF 2nd rounder in any trade up. If we do trade, we absolutely cannot screw the pick up.

Can we file a lawsuit against Rhule for him being a fraud of a coach...

The touch Stroud has on his passes and the anticipation he is able to throw his passes with sets him far apart from Fields as a passer. I don't think there is a better QB in this draft that can throw the intermediate passes, particularly the out and corner routes, than Stroud. I still remember that Utah bowl game last year and the throws he made in that game were very impressive. Yes, his WRs have been elite the past 2 years, but he was still throwing dimes to his receivers and releasing the ball right as his receivers were making their cuts.

Agreed we have no DE talent, but if you want to give Burns the highest contract ever for a DE (which I'm sure is something our dumbshit franchise would do), then I'm guessing your last name must be Hurney