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Well one of the benefits of collecting a bunch of 3rd rooms picks is you can go BPA rather than focus on filling immediate needs. You still have a chance to do that in the 3rd. Pick makes sense. Good value at the end of the 2nd and sets us up to move on from Robby if his price is too high next year.

Can't see us being comfortable trading back to 20 when we only have 1st round grades on 15 players. Also, getting future 1sts is great and all but if you're foregoing an elite prospect for a 2nd tier one by dropping that far, kind of dampers your prospects this year which may not be optimal when you traded away your 2nd round pick in 2022. Would hate for that to be a high 2nd rounder. Gotta put yourself in a position to be semi-competitive this year.

Not exciting but if you think about it, it's the sensical pick. 1. Covers the biggest hole on our team 2. Chance of finding a competent day 1 starter at cb after the first round was not very good. 3. Get our choice of the top player at the position rather than whatever is leftover. 4. Our 2nd biggest need, tackle, has a ton of depth in this draft and we had just missed out on the 1 clear elite LT prospect with question marks about Slater being a better fit at guard. Much more likely we find a starter in the 2nd round and consider switching Moton to LT. 5. With Denver taking a cb and Dallas with a huge need at cb, if we really honed in on Horn, trading back probably wasn't going to work (not to mention, given how long we took to make the pick, I bet we tried but the offers were paltry).

Guaranteed at a chance for Sewell or Fields... holy smokes!

They just put a graphic that said the Jaguars have had 6 different starting qbs since 2018 and I thought "Wow that's terrible." Then I realized we had Cam, Heineke, Kyle Allen, Will Grier, Teddy B, and PJ Walker. Just in case it wasn't painfully obvious enough that we need our long term answer.

Unless we draft Fields, our 1st 2 picks should start on day 1, likely OT and CB in some order, although safety is possible in the 2nd (or Moehrig in the 1st wouldn't be crazy if we trade back with WFT). After that, it's a crap shoot. I'm not sure a guard in the 3rd or later is going to beat out Elflein, Miller and Daley and unless the TE is Kyle Pitts, I think Arnold is safe. You can find a decent coverage linebacker in later rounds so I wouldn't rule out a 4th round LB taking an outside spot and shifting Chinn mostly to safety. With 3 6 rounders, I'd also consider using one of those on a kicker if we really like one and creating competition with Slye l. Not a high priority but that late, no guarantees those picks even make the initial 53.

Hmm so we save an extra $3 million and get a 6th round pick? Pretty solid. Better to get some value before the draft in case we draft Fields and the whole world knows we're not keeping Teddy and lose all trade leverage. That being said, it feels like Denver got a good deal. Get Teddy for $3 million by giving up a 6th round pick that's more likely than not to be out of the league in 3 years? Sure Teddy for $20 million is a tough pill to swallow but at $3 million he's a great bargain. Seems like one of those win win situations.

For those complaining that Greg Little's combine should have made him an obvious pass in the draft: Orlando Brown's combine performance made Little look like Aaron Donald. It was historically abysmal. That's why he dropped to the 3rd round. One example of why the combine, while important, isn't the end all be all.

Not crazy about a cb at 8. However, I'd be on board with a cb in the teens plus the haul from trading down, and snag an OT in the 2nd given there should be plenty of decent ones to choose from. CB is a huge need. We have no current starting caliber corners signed past this year, Donte is guaranteed to miss games and Bouye is suspended the first 2 games with his best years behind him. You could argue it might be our biggest need. I'd still rather have Sewell if he's there but if he's gone and a team is willing to pay big to move up to 8, we should hear them out

If Sewell, Pitts and Fields are all gone, I'd see if Philly is willing to give up their extra 1st in 2022 to move up to 8. Maybe they anticipate Miami's 1st will be in the 20s and consider giving that. I'd do that for sure and land either Slater or Darrisaw at 12 as one of them should be there. I'd probably be wary of trading back any further and losing out on one of the elite talents, even with a good haul.

It definitely makes the most sense to at least wait until the draft. If we draft a qb at 8, it doesn't make much sense to have him sit behind Darnold for 2 years or pay Darnold nearly $20 million to be a backup in 2022. If we don't draft a qb at 8, I do think we'd be a bit obligated to pick up the 5th year option. You don't make an evaluation on a guy that he's worth a 2nd round pick plus change and worry he'll be damaged goods after 1 year. The 5th year option is a huge bargain for a decent starting qb. And as others have said, we probably need more than a year in our system to truly find out Darnold's potential. If he's still not the answer in year 2, we did our homework and can confidently move on with no additional commitment. But if he shows some potential next year but has his ups and downs (which is the most likely scenario) what do you do? Give up or pay him a Teddy-esque contract and hook yourself for a couple years? That's the last place we want to be again.

Not a fan of trading for Orlando Brown when this is such a deep class of OT. The guy is clamoring out of Baltimore because he wants to get a chance to play LT and get a contract commensurate with the position (e.g $20 million per year). We'll be stuck either dumping 20% of our cap for him and Moton in 2022 or having to let one go after giving up a high pick to get Brown. If you really want Horn, why not still trade back, use the extra 2nd to get any one of Leatherwood, Cosmi, Radunz or whoever else might be there that we like and get a low cost tackle for the next 4 years. Would you rather have Horn and Orlando Brown or Horn, Leatherwood, an extra 2nd round pick and $75 million more in cap space over the next 4 years? No brainer

If they're really pulling out the consensual card (and I say "if" because I haven't directly heard about that), that's going to be a terribly hard sell. A high profile athlete paying a woman to meet him in a private location which then leads to sex? At best it comes off as implicit prostitution which is obviously illegal in its own right. But it's just as easy to argue these women were indirectly coerced out of retaliatory fear of a physically imposing and financially and pop culturally powerful individual for whom they were in a business/service relationship contingent on satisfied customers. I'm no legal expert but it seems like at the very least it has grounds on a civil basis and could easily be argued criminally. It's why a boss can't just ask his secretary "Hey why don't we have sex" and expect it to come out as completely kosher if she files for harrassment even if she didn't emphatically say no.

I'm still not understanding why so many people are jumping at the chance to cut Teddy this second and lose an extra $10 million in cap space. In a world where Sam Bradford fetched a 1st round pick with a $20 million salary after a starter got injured, how is everyone so sure we can't get a late round pick, especially if we convert some of his guaranteed salary into a signing bonus? If we made $5 million into a signing bonus, the trading team gets Teddy for $12 million, we save $5 million extra on our cap (so $13 million post June 1st) and get a nominal draft pick in 2022. I mean hell, we could convert all $10 million into bonus money, leave him with a $7 million contract for the trading team, have the exact same cap hit we have now and at least get a draft pick, while the trading team gets him at a backup salary with zero guaranteed money, so they could cut him scot free. I realize you all aren't GMs but this is a bad look for some of you.

What part of keeping him until final cuts did you skip over? Why cut him now when there's months before the season starts and plenty of time for someone to get injured? We're not paying his 2021 salary before week 1.

It would be moronic if we rush into cutting Teddy. For one, there's a chance a high profile starting qb for a competitive team will get injured sometime before the start of the season leaving Teddy as one of the few available qbs that could keep them afloat. Envision a team like Seattle losing Russell Wilson or Tom Brady's body finally breaking down in Tampa. You think those teams wouldn't throw a late round 2022 pick, especially if we restructure Teddy's contract to take some of the hit off them? Why eat $10 million extra and forfeit the chance at any pick at all unless you absolutely have to? Hell, I'd wait at the very least until the final cuts for the 53 before considering it.

Definitely premature to be hailing praises over the Darnold trade. We could look back at the whole thing as a disaster, particularly if, say, Fields is there at 8 and he becomes a pro bowl caliber qb. Meanwhile Darnold statistically has been worse than Bridgewater. I know we all hope better weapons and coaching will make him look more competent but let's say he turns into at best, a comp for Teddy. We pick up his 5th year option to pay him nearly $20 million in 2022 and are in the same position we're in this year with Teddy: stuck with an overpaid qb that won't take us anywhere with a contract that is tough to move, and meanwhile we give up what could be a high 2nd round pick if he really does flame out. Listen, I'm not saying that's going to happen and god willing I desperately hope it doesn't. But at minimum I'm acknowleging it's very much possible. And thus it's way too soon for this kind of thread.

Additional point: Let's say Carolina is all in on Darnold and not enthused by the rookie qbs. And the draft plays out so that all but one of the highly regarded qbs has been picked by 8, which seems increasingly likely. Denver looks like a prime candidate to take the final one which ups the value of pick 8 tremendously. Let's say New England wants to move up. We would almost certainly get pick 15 plus next year's first and maybe a later round pick. So we'd more than recoup the value of trading for Darnold with moving back a bit in the 1st.

Shoot, you're right. That was one of the changes in the latest CBA. I feel less strongly about this theory now but still plausible especially for a player like Lance who might benefit from a couple years learning. Anyhow, for the record, I'm not personally hoping we draft a qb. I'm definitely willing to give Darnold a chance and hope he's successful. Just seemed like it could have played a role and thought I'd share the theory especially for those baffled by the decision.

OK, this might sound far fetched, but hear me out. To this point, literally everybody in the world knew the Panthers were 100% all in on getting a new quarterback. We reeked of desperation. And that put us at a severe disadvantage heading into the draft. If one of the top qbs actually did start dropping a bit and looked like they might be available at 8, there would almost certainly be a couple teams aggressively trying to move up ahead of us to take them. It would effectively force us to trade up or lose out. And the price to trade up appears to be exponentially high this year; just think about the 3 1sts San Francisco gave up to get a chance to draft the THIRD qb. Now bring in Darnold. Giving up 3 picks and pre-emptively picking up Darnold's 5th year option suggests a sizable commitment on paper. Teams will drop their guard and assume we've moved on from drafting a qb in 2021. Now let's say Fields or Lance gets past Atlanta (or SF actually drafts Mac Jones). None of the teams ahead of the Panthers seem like threats to draft a qb. Now suddenly there's a realistic chance one of them drops to 8 and the Panthers can still draft one of them, cut Darnold next year (5th year is only injury-guaranteed) and end up spending less in draft capital than they might have had to to move up and draft them in the first place. Granted, you don't make this trade solely for that reason. You're mainly hoping removing the stink of Gase can turn around the career of a once super promising QB prospect. And as Fitterer mentioned as well, it helps cover a gaping need so the Panthers can go BPA and get an elite prospect (Sewell or Pitts?) rather than take a qb out of desperation. But I have to wonder if the idea that it might help one of the top qbs fall into the Panther's laps might have added some additional allure. It would also help explain why the Panthers would make this trade pre-draft rather than wait and see if they actually would luck into one of the top qbs and do the trade afterwards if they struck out.

San Francisco has a bit of leverage. Trading him compared to cutting him doesn't save money, so it wouldn't be a cap saving measure. And they see value in keeping him as an ideal bridge for whoever they draft at 3. So while I think there's certainly an element of starting the negotiating price high, I don't think it's a Carson Wentz situation where they're going to trade him no matter what, taking the best offer they can find. I think internally they'd probably take less ,like a 2 or a conditional 3rd, but I think if the best offer is a conditional 4th, which may be, they'd just as well hold onto him.

The other big point that hasn't been mentioned is that Detroit seems to be all-in on a rebuild which makes them a prime candidate to trade back, even to 19 if the package was good. Why do I think that? Well if they actually cared about being competitive at all sooner rather than later, they would've been better off taking our trade package for Stafford rather than trading with the Rams for 2 future 1sts. Passing on the #8 pick plus an extra pick this year so you can get 2 1sts in future years that will likely be in the late 20s? You don't do that unless you've written off this year and are all in for the future. Hell, Detroit is probably cool with being awful in 2021 and eyeing a top pick in 2022 to take a qb and move on from Goff. Trading premium picks for future picks helps accomplish that and make them more poised to take the leap in 2022 and beyond. So with that in mind, if we really have a much higher grade on either Lance or Fields, giving up a 3rd to ensure your choice makes plenty of sense. Obviously this trade implies as much. Otherwise you stay at 8, don't care if Detroit trades out and take whoever is left. But you have to assume Detroit is going to be aggressively trying to sell 7 especially if any of the top qbs are still available. It's almost inevitable.

It's looking more and more likely that we could have our pick of LT at 8. People are expecting a run of qbs and receivers in front of us. 2 months ago, if someone told you we could draft Sewell without trading away a single pick, who wouldn't have happily taken that? I know everyone wants a qb, but we could have an elite offensive line for the next 5 years minimum with Sewell and Moton. Granted, if we like a qb available at 8, yeah take him and opt for someone like Cosmi or Leatherwood in the 2nd. But if the choice is trade a bunch of picks to move up and take Fields or stay at 8 and take Sewell, I'd probably opt for the latter and figure out a plan B at qb.

I've got a Luxe myself (120) and have been happy with it. Of course I have nothing to compare it to but it gets the job done and it's affordable. Thinking about getting a 2nd one for my guest bathroom.

How was that an option? Trade up with Miami, a team 100% in on drafting a qb last year, for them to move back to 7 and miss out on drafting one of the coveted qbs? Realistically, the Giants were the logical trade up partner. Meanwhile we all enjoy this revisionist history where Tua wasn't the clear, consensus #2 over Herbert. If we trade up to 4, we'd probably be trying to leapfrog Miami to draft Tua and ease him slowly with Teddy while he gets up to speed after his injury. Think about that: giving up prime draft capital to take Teddy lite with even less mobility after his hip fracture. I think we scouted Herbert and would have strongly considered him at 7 if the Chargers had passed,but I don't see a scenario where we would have realistically traded up and drafted him. Not only for the reasons I mentioned but how do you invest a bunch of draft capital to trade up for a qb when you're stuck with Teddy for 2 years? Maybe at 7, but 7 and whatever else it would take? No way.