Sgt Schultz

If they are going to trade back in the first, I don't want them going below about picks 13-15. On the chart, #13 is the magic number where the first and second round pick (roughly 45) equal #6. Unfortunately, I only see three teams with picks near those combinations: Minnesota (#12 and 46), Baltimore (#14 and 45), and Washington (#11 and 47). Falling below those first round picks drops us too far, IMO, to have any certainty from our first round pick in a position of need. And, if there is a run on the top LT prospects in the first 5 picks, do not move, do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to the podium.

Mostly the latter. Most owners don't say much to the media. There are some notable (or notorious) exceptions, like Jerry Jones. Personally, I don't care if I hear from Tepper or not. If somebody can show me how him speaking puts more wins on the board, I'll rethink that. But, I agree with something an owner said long ago when the league was marching toward a lockout, "nobody pays to see me own the team."

Hey, if Cleveland can have a river catch fire, Denver can have a stadium do so.

It is a tough question to answer because we don't know how many careers were snuffed out before they really started because the initial situation ruined the QB. It is not always a horrible team, either. I lived in the DC area when the Foreskins drafted Jason Campbell. Joe Gibbs (second tenure) was the coach, which sounds like a great environment. The problem is Gibbs preached to Campbell that whatever he contributed was fine but he could not turn the ball over. Campbell became timid, unwilling to throw the ball downfield and would check down way too early. Campbell had a decent career as a journeyman QB after that, but could he have been more? Perhaps, we'll never know. The knock on him after his time in DC, from what I remember, was he checked down too quickly. I wonder where he learned that. We know about the "busts" and can perhaps guess how many were ruined by their initial experiences, many far worse than Campbell's. Like continual beatings behind terrible OLs. And it is a problem with being an obvious high draft choice as a QB: your first team may be one you have to simply survive. It happened with Steve Young, who was classified as a bust after his first couple of years saddled with Tampa. He overcame it by being picked up by a juggernaut and backing up a juggernaut on the juggernaut before he became the starter. Compare the situation Jones and Lance found themselves in compared to Lawrence, Wilson, and even Fields.

I don't know how many games Darnold can win. Minshew can win more, most likely. Baker may be in there somewhere. But I also am not sold on any of the QBs in the draft this year winning any more, either. The whole group looks like a bunch of solid 3rd round picks, except of course we don't have a third round pick (at least yet). To those who think a shiny new QB can overcome anything, how did Mahomes do when his OL was depleted in the Super Bowl against Tampa? Brady has a history of looking very pedestrian when his OL has been consistently outplayed by a pass rush that did not require selling out the coverage (think two Super Bowl losses against the Giants, and for that matter the game NE won over the Rams 13-3). You have to give any QB a fighting chance. Our OL has looked depleted or outplayed almost every game, and while they look better on paper after FA, we still have no idea whether the LT position is settled or not (thanks to them not playing BC there nearly enough to know).

It is highly likely that none of the four teams chasing him will get there. I don't like any of their chances as of today.

I think they are also closer than what's left of the Falcons and also the Saints. It wasn't like KC, Buffalo, or the 2021 Rams were seeking his services.

I noticed that we were only mentioned in passing twice. It's like we were in the room in case everybody let the room and refused to come back. Count me on the side that thinks not even coming close to competing with what he ultimately got is a good thing. I'm not as cynical as some others (which is rare for me) that is was all about the money. At some point the dollar figures all look the same. I believe the reason he originally is reported to have eliminated Cleveland are probably true. Given the years of futility and the fact the weather sucks, it would not be high on anybody's list. Except, looking at the "final four" they are the best overall roster. They underperformed some last year, but that division is almost completely upside-down from where it was a year or two ago. The final straw was the money, specifically the guaranteed money. The Browns think they are close enough to go all-in. I think, history aside, they are the best team on paper, probably the best coaching staff (at least for now), and offered him the best deal. Like many, I was not in favor of us getting in that horse race for a variety of reasons. Strictly football, we still have a lot of holes to fill (more than we do now that it is a week later) and probably would have had nearly zero ability to fill them. We have even less draft capital than the other three teams thanks to the Darnold trade and assorted other deals.

I think the really need one Samuel Richard Darnold to resolve any issues from Watson's potential absence.

I'd give it a B+. I can understand the A- grade. I'm not concerned about signing a QB by this point. Our OL looks better on paper, but we've seen that before and I want to see them on the field before I call that a success. Getting a LT a #6 would be big. The Ian Thomas signing is the only dirty look I can give it. I get that the TE market has been inflated, which makes me question resigning him all the more. I actually thought Thomas would step up after Olsen left, but that never happened and it left a bad taste with me. Part of my optimism is probably an increase in NFL experience on our coaching staff. That could actually improve things across the board. But, I am from Missouri.....the Show Me state. All these guys need to show me before I will buy in. I'm not ready to proclaim we are Superb Owl bound rather than the Super Bowel alternative.

But, but, but that is just Twitter. I want to see a signed copy of the deal, with approval by the league. He's still in play, I tell you!!!!!!

Arguably our most position the last two or three years.

Yep. It takes about 9 minutes for light to travel from the sun to earth. We're not sure how long it takes news to travel from earth to his planet.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

It's not the worst idea ever. Our QB depth chart after this season is/should be zero, unless we draft somebody (not at 6 please) or sign a low-cost FA. Our 2023 starter is not on the roster. Our 2023 backup had better not be in the roster. If the Eagles are willing to settle for a day three pick, it is low cost at almost every angle. Bring him in, then let Darnold and PJ ride into the sunset after this year and draft somebody next year.

Maybe it is just me being cynical, but every now and then there is a situation that so many people think is so great, it turns into a feeding frenzy, and everybody involved gets screwed. This took on that character about 6 hours into the whole ordeal. It is quite possible that when the dust settles, we may be the ones who got screwed the least. We kicked some cap down the road, but not an alarming amount, and wound up no worse afterwards than we were when we started.....other than some people getting their feelings hurt.

I'm not sure which of these is correct: Superb Owl Super Bowel

Assuming no Watson, we go back to a sane plan. We made a few decent signings so far, shore up the OL in the draft, and try to whittle down some of our big holes. I like the idea of trading down a little, but with who? I would not want to drop below about #13 or so. This is beating an old drum, but our biggest issue right now is we have no idea what we have on the roster. Is BC part of the OL solution? We think so, but the way he was used last year, we really have nothing more than a gut feeling. Let’s get Chinn back where he belongs. How about Brown….either of them? We need to confirm Horn is who we think he is. Can CMC stay healthy? The list of unknowns and uncertainties goes on. Part of this is accepting the fact that our 2023 QB is not on the roster….either the starter or the backup. Then we spend 2022 answering the above questions. Add whether our FA signings that look solid actually pan out on the field. It “ain’t purdy,” but the way we handled 2021 set us back to where we were entering 2021, if not earlier. We just have to take the medicine from all of 2021, including trading away draft choices and such. Bad decisions have consequences. Strings of bad decisions have even more consequences. 2021 put us in a hole…..stop digging.

The grades look fair to me. I think what the Panthers have done thus far is solid and addressing some severe needs. Of course, I have sometimes thought that before and been disappointed, but generally with signings of players older than these guys.

All I can say about this idea is...

If Woods does nothing more than not get embarrassed and puts Chinn back in the position he is best suited for, he is worth the price.

I hear he can kick, if need be. Maybe even be the long snapper on punts! Here is my issue with the whole mess. Rivera basically had the same answer as Buddy Ryan regarding our offense: "we have Cam." Actually, we had Cam and Olsen. And a defense that, in its prime, flat out intimidated people. It created turnovers which led to points. In 2015, our OL was unexciting on paper, but somehow gelled until the Broncos exposed the weakness (and weakness in the coaching staff to not counter what they were doing). We had a great year, but not quite good enough., Now take that team, remove Olsen, remove the defense, and field an OL for which unexciting would be an improvement. Schultz's first law of human behavior is the worst thing you can do to anyone is give them exactly what they want. I fear we are going to prove it yet again.

What??? I thought our goal was to have the entire from page list of threads have "Watson," "DeShaun," "DW," "that predator," "the Houston QB," or some variation in the title. Geez, Rayzor, you guys have your hands full!

From what I can see, you are correct. It's always possible somebody like the Eagles puts out disinterest as a smokescreen or to ground the Texans' increasing demands. I haven't heard much about the Lions in this mess. But they do have two first rounders this year, albeit one of them being the Rams' #32 pick.

Yeah. No OL, Anderson as his #1, Rhule as his coach with a time bomb ticking under his chair. Perfect! Houston is going to milk this thing to the point where they don't get anywhere near what they are wanting. If the Eagles dropped out, they were one of three teams that had enough cap space without huge changes to be realistic. They were also one of two that had enough draft capital to actually make the deal. Before this is over, it is possible everybody involved winds up skillfully screwing themselves.