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Keeping Marty too long (or at all). This equates to a lot of player/contract mistakes Keeping Rivera too long. Keeping Cam too long (but this may fall on Hurney). That said he was still learning. People wanted instant gratification and ignored the learning curve. Everyone makes mistakes, it happens. It’s about what you do about them. Franchises like the Browns, Jets, Cowboys to the extent keep making them. That’s the difference. The jury is still out on Tepper. It appears to me however he is a quick learner and changes things quickly when a mistake is made. I believe the slow moves in the beginning were part of his earning curve NOT his normal way of handling things. I’m ok with it. We’ll see year 5-6 what he’s really about.

It was telling when no one offered poo for him last season and he played for vet min and will probably get another vet min job as a backup this season. This is just confirmation. He had a great career, I don’t feel bad for him. It’s too bad but plenty of good QBs or ones with potential get fuged by a shitty organizations (or multiple) Luck, Rivers, you could argue Romo, Watson, D. Care, argument for Marino maybe even RG3, maybe Campbell, V. Young, Pennington, A. Smith...list goes on and on. Fact is a great, franchise QB simply cannot overhaul a consistently horrible franchise. There is very very few examples of this happening. Cam being one of them.

Yea he’ll come to a worse organization and worse oline at age 32 in order to show he can compete at age 35. lol

Dolphins are going to get him if he’s traded. Panthers simply can’t offer as much to the Texans or a better situation to Watson. It is what it is.

Derp

The oline played great the first half of games. Then checked out at half time. Where is the stats for that? That poo is awful. Add in Moton played at a high level and Okung did too when he was in. And they still ranked #18 in the NFL. It’s a bigger problem than people think. TB sucks yea but it’s just fuging lazy to say the oline isn’t that big of a problem. It’s actually worse than people think.

not according to Madden

Nah no shame in it. The slight isn’t on Tre. It’s on idiot Hurney. He played one year on a 3 year deal and never should’ve been signed. He was never worth a 3 year deal.

Basically a nice way of saying you’re not worth the money you’re paid, you’re playing time is better spent on a rookie where there’ll be little drop off and higher potential, and you’re not worth the roster spot either

Yea it’s kind of skewed to just look at available space but it’s still not great considering - when looked at overall we are in top 3 worst with Rams and Eagles. Not to say the future isn’t bright because it is but you can’t look at this being 5-11 and be happy probably won’t next year either unless were a winning team...then this franchise will look pretty decent. At least 8-8. Hurney was fired by his secret elderly lover once...for a reason. It took A LOT for that to happen. You rehire him this is what you get, the same reason. At least it’s finally come to an end.

It’s what we have not been used to under Hurney - fore-thinking and preparation. This doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. All this means is they’re preparing be able to be involved in anything that comes up. But really, they’re cutting poo players and restructuring poo contracts, that’s just what smart franchises do.

This is dumb they cut god awful players and it’s for cap space? Lol

If he works really hard like everyday and pushes himself 100%, takes no shortcuts, and gets some extremely skilled coaching He just may become...average depth

lol no, they are not trading that pick we’re getting desperate here on the huddle and it’s not even March lord help me

The no trade clause means Watson will have to be happy too. You trade away rookies Burns, Chinn and CMC on a cap strapped, 5-11 team and I’m not sure Watson is going to be on board.

A 2 hour plane ride vs a 1 hour and 15 minute plane ride is not going to be the deciding factor (Charlotte vs. Miami). I wasn’t debating Houston, only the idea Watson wants to be close to home. They’re both ‘close’. Panther could offer everything and Dolphins could offer almost everything and still come out ahead. The only single, possible deciding factor here is Watson. Does he want so badly to play for the Panthers for non logical reasons only known to him to the point he’d refuse the Dolphins? I don’t see any logic in that as much as fans really want to think so.

No sorry, the Dolphins have a much better argument. See my post above. I’m not discounting what we have, only putting it in perspective and comparison. ‘Talented’ players. If they’re compelling as trade capital that means they’re NOT compelling for Watson only to the Texans. The Texans do not have to be interested in Darnold or Tua because they’d likely get the 2 or 3 pick in the draft for a new QB. Not so with 8. That is much more appealing for a franchise that *should* be rebuilding. You guys can keep fooling yourselves saying the Panthers have just as much to offer as the Jets or Dolphins but if you’re considering the circumstances of the no trade clause and that both the Texans AND Watson will have to be satisfied, the Panthers are not remotely in discussion with those two teams unless Watson himself has a urning desire to only play for the Panthers no matter the cost which I find laughable.

That article is just an article. But it insinuates the Dolphins are interested. The common sense of not being able to compete comes from multiple angles: 1. #3 in the draft so even if Texans don’t want Tua they can draft a qb. Not as easily doable with #8. 2. They have 2 firsts and 2 seconds. The draft capital that could be offered is obviously more by a large margin. Which leads me to... 3. They’re a 10-6 team and legitimately up and coming. QB is one of their few holes. It just makes sense. Even without their picks, if you plug in Watson they’d have a team that could easily rival the Bills and take the division. While I think Saleh is going to be great, that sentiment isn’t remotely true for the Jets or the Panthers. 4. Watson will actually play for a competitor AND be close to home. 5. And more of a side note - the Dolphins are known for diversity and minority hirings, clearly a plus for Watson. 6. Cap. Sure their cap spending is about on par with the Panthers. Well except their actually paying contributing players and have a whopping 500k dead money vs. the Panthers 23 million (and that is an old figure it’s much higher now). What does that mean? Probably that the Dolphins don’t really need a long term plan...they’re already almost there. Watson would get it done. On the other side - the Panthers could only offer what could and hopefully will be 2-3 years in the future because for this year and next they’re strapped. Will Watson be ok waiting? Not sure about that. 7. Oline. Sure the Dolphins ranked as one of the worst. But why? Because they heavily invested in it. High draft pick rookies. And although not a huge feat they have improved by doing so. That oline’s trajectory is going up and will bloom. Plus they actually are showing with the new regimen it’s a priority. The Panthers well...they’re struggling to sign their one good player due to cap, so they’ll tag him. They literally have no answers for all the other positions and depth. If they finally take the oline seriously they can hope to be where the Dolphins are in two years - high investment, and improvement in long term answers. So yea I’m trying to find an angle we could compete with the Dolphins. Do you have one? Clemson maybe? We have his QB coach? We have better weapons...but not the cap to resign them. That’s a short list. Ultimately the Panthers can only offer Watson a vision and Watson will have to be ok with that. The Dolphins can offer evidence their vision is coming into fruition, and QB is the primary missing peice of the puzzle. So yea. We can’t compete. We really can’t compete with the Jets either but maybe in the sense that they too will only have a vision to offer.

Panthers will never be able to compete with the Jets or Dolphins. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article249161075.html

Dumb. Business was treated like business. Least that’s what the players say when they chase the money. Panthers never sniffed another QB for years letting Cam rehab on the bench...and paid him 60 million to do it then be cut after negotiate couldn’t be had and no one wanted to trade anything for him. Not sure what what kind of creepy butthurt fanboy poo you’re thinking of. If the Panthers were smart they would’ve told Cam to suck it up, there’ll be no ‘commitment’ and sent him out as a lame duck QB and save TB money. But I’m sure creepy fanboys would’ve said that was treating him bad too. Anything other than a family friendly 4 year extension (probably worth at least 100 million) would have made fanboys mad TBH - unfortunately for Panther fans the team as a whole that would have been really fuging stupid.

Lol Let’s imagine this team for a second without their previous 3-4 first round picks and/or a top defensive player. -Brown -Burns -DJ Moore Minus a 4th first rounder: -CMC Throw in a good, young defensive player (not sure we even have 2 after the above lol) -Chinn Cam you imagine how god awful this team would be without all these players? I mean you trade all that for Watson so Samuel and Anderson can be his primary targets, Davis getting shut down in the backfield and Moton the only olineman IF he’s resigned? Then the defense...Shaq thompson....and...maybe we can get injured Short back? lol Just isn’t worth it.

Fit lookin over Hurney’s work like

Meh I don’t really care if TB is the wb next season. We already know he isn’t the future but we have to take our lumps and should take the time to find it...just as almost all other teams have had to do with a bridge QB. This team won’t be competitive until 2023 anyways and won’t get interesting really until the year after that. I know that’s a lot of patience, logic, and realistic expectations though so I can see it pissing off the huddle.

Wtf rain snow sun...baseball caps are great man I miss Reebok then the league got cheap and consumer Nike is trash I remember the first year the switched and jerseys were ripped, patches coming off, falling apart on the field during games lol gonna assume the NFL bitches them out because didn’t see the issue after that High end Nike products are great but man their mass commercial poo is utter garbage

Yea if you’re including QBs like Dalton, Gropo, Tua, Fitzpatrick, and Haskins and Brandon Allen. Maybe I should’ve said a min number of snaps and/for a ‘starting’ QB in which case he’s at the top of the list. Had those QBs played as many snaps I still feel like he’s at the top with all his check downs. Curious as to how many of those sacks came in quarters 3 and 4 because from watching the games, the Panthers 2020 oline played very well until half time when they all checked out. If we criticize TB for not closing out games the oline most certainly didn’t finish poo in 2020. Those things will skew the oline ranking which is sad seeing as they were still ranked 18. Given there were only 3-4 teams ranked that low to make the Super Bowl, or even deep playoffs in the last 20 years I’d say they are pretty dismal.