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Oh lawd Dalton is still playing

I missed what happened. He got banged up on a rushing attempt?

lol

Tepper isn't going anywhere. Just have to accept or boycott his product altogether.

It's a fuging passing league and he was hired because of that.

Dalton is done I've seen enough. We're about to see Bryce again i guess. Man some of ya'll jokers were really in here asking if we can afford Dalton...

You're just going to see the field shrink and interceptions while he's on his tippy toes.

Eventually it becomes an issue of predictability. Defenses know Dalton can make throws unlike Bryce but if he is being held back due to horrible plays like what just happened we can commit to the run as much as we want they are going to know what's coming.

We are realistically all homerism aside 2-3 years minimum from competing for anything of significance. It is going to take at least a few very good drafts. These are tough conversations for tough times. It is what it is.

Dalton is toast.

I tend to agree with you in principal. I really like Hubbard and what he adds to the team production wise and mentality wise. The issue is the Panthers have needs across the roster and just invested a ton in the oline. Center is still a need as well. None of this is even mentioning the fact we just traded up to select an RB in the second round this year. Then we have to look back at the signings of "Double Trouble" from long ago and even then that is now known to have been a bad move to say the least. But at least the team around them was serviceable. This is probably the worst shape our roster has been in that I can recall. One can like Hubbard and ultimately prefer to retain him while also acknowledging it is most likely unwise to invest another significant contract in the position when accounting for the full picture of the current predicament.

What even is his value? Maybe a 6th?

Well one way or another it helps give him more leverage. We did the same thing with Burns. It only got worse from here.

If you already have a few premier pass rushers Clowney is a decent addition on the cheap. But to expect him to anchor a pass rush was always a fantasy. We were desperate. We knew it no matter how excited we might have been about the signing at the time.

Jags get to beat up on the Patriots and suddenly they look like an NFL team again.

Prepare thy anuses

Eh I think we should come to the realization that Andy Dalton is not that coveted. He's certainly better than Bryce Young but he's a boom or bust aging veteran. If he wants big money then he can show himself out. I also tend to lean toward the conclusion that the huddle is overrating Johnson to a degree. The Steelers are doing just fine without him. Who in the world is giving us a 2nd and a player for a running back that has yet to add a 1k rushing season to his resume and is due his first big contract? It's as good a time as any for us as Panthers fans to be as realistic as possible about the players on our roster no matter how much we like them.

I like Hubbard. I'd prefer to keep him but not at max value. On the idea of trading him I just don't know what we would get that would make it some sort of must make deal. There have been some good players right now going for 3rd round picks at best. I want more picks too but a mid to late rounder isn't moving the needle much. If that's all we're looking for then get something for Thielen and Johnson. This isn't a one draft solution situation regardless. It's going to take at least a few really solid drafts to even get close to where we need to be.

Back in camp we thought the defense might actually be decent or at least serviceable this year. Unfortunately they were no longer able to square off against Bryce Young and had to actually face real quarterbacks. Reality sunk in quick. It is what it is we always knew we had to eventually just rebuild that side of the ball from pretty much scratch. We should have already begun doing it. But some people thought we just needed to "retool". Start the damn rebuild.

Death. Taxes. The New Orleans Saints somehow successfully navigating a salary cap situation that Panthers fans declare will be the end of them contending for the foreseeable future.

I think this conversation is a matter of what one considers to be a success. For us and what we've endured for the last 6 years or so since the second half of the 2018 season yeah we'd take what Minnesota is building 10 times out of 10. The Vikings may have found their starter for the next several years in Darnold. But the question is will he be any better than Cousins who put up some pretty impressive regular season starts but largely was underwhelming at best in the playoffs and went nowhere. We've never even seen Darnold in a playoff game. If he gets that far I'll be eager to see what transpires. But I personally wouldn't bet money on him having a Joe Flacco 2012 Ravens level playoff run with them.

With Icky this is the big evaluation year. Next season they have to decide on his fifth year option. At this point unless he finishes the season very strong they have to consider bringing in competition in the event his struggles carry over into next season. Right now the truth is that despite our needs across the roster. We could remove Ian Thomas and Jonathan Mingo from the equation and improve. I was hard on Canales following the loss but truly he is in a tough spot with this roster that our current GM has had a hand in both good and bad in his time with Scott Fitterer who was btw very high on Ian Thomas. The Panthers at this point in time IMO need to take a page out of Dave Gettleman's book and do some no nonsense trimming of the roster. It's already depleted. Get the known low effort guys and the washed up veterans out and start rolling in the youth movement. We are at least a few years away from truly competing for anything of significant relevancy anyways.

It's still a small sample size. Eventually Darnold is going to have one of those games he's known for. Not to mention I can recall several teams over the last 15 years or so who started off undefeated and faceplanted in the second half of the season. The Vikings are heading to Detroit to play the Lions tomorrow. Let's see how they do.

I love a good ground game as much as anyone else too. But it is at the end of the day a passing league. Canales was brought in here for his prowess in that area. His run game in Tampa as OC wasn't even that productive. At the same time we have to let him get his own guy. Dalton while a great guy is mid at best and he's at the end of his career. Until then there's only so much you can expect. Just please no more Bryce Young.