frankw

If we have to protect him mentally we've already waved the white flag on the pick.

Oh wow. You definitely sound like you had some interesting takes about Cam the person over the years. It's amusing seeing the goal posts about this destination for a rookie QB move so far in just 5-6 months. These posts would have you think everyone in the fanbase and people across the league said we were the worst place a rookie QB could land. I agree Luke is an obvious hall of famer. But it's telling you want to denigrate Cam Newton to make that point as if it made no difference on his and other players careers on defense having #1 on the other side of the ball. When Cam looked like he was done so was Luke. That's no coincidence. Both sides of the ball feed off each other. Losing that presence on offense was just as enormous as Luke's retirement. Clearly Newton still sticks in your craw all these years later. That's sad.

We have been mostly abysmal at drafting under Fitterer. Count me in the group that would rather not see him given the keys to waste another draft.

Howell leads the league in picks. His completion percentage is bottom half of the league. But he can push the ball downfield. He has big play ability and that can't be denied. That's why his team is still competing.

The GM is on his way out barring a miracle finish. All or part of the coaching staff may be by next season too. Once you go that route you're saddling a new GM or coach with someone else's QB. Best case scenario is for Bryce Young all circumstances aside to plant his feet in the ground and start looking like one of the best rookies in this class. Further poor play is only going to open more questions and the likelihood for more volatile future outcomes for all involved.

Sam Howell has been sacked 40 times. He's in the top ten in two different key QB statistics. You're overplaying your hand.

We traded a haul to acquire him. Yes if we cannot get him playing better we are screwed. He is supposed to be our future for the next decade. So yes he is at the center. Nothing else matters.

Carl please stop having a meltdown. We all want this offense to play better. There are different factors. But right now Bryce Young is at the center of those factors and it's undeniable. Acknowledging reality is not a slight or vendetta against the kid. It's our current predicament.

The most points we've scored all season was with a washed up 35 year old Andy Dalton on the road. Cling to cherry picking if it makes you feel better bud.

Doesn't like "running QB's" yet can only name Cam Fields and Richardson. Loves Bryce Young though. Sounds like the average Bama fan through and through.

Not the least bit surprised to see a Bryce Young stan bashing our only MVP in franchise history. They gave Stroud the same treatment. Then they'll turn around and flail about haters. They are frauds.

Not like we're going to look his way anyways unless the defense just forgets he's there like the one touchdown we had against the Colts.

NFL or MLS. Instability is the continued theme. As the saying goes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It's a duck.

I don't disagree that this franchise is poorly run. But one could argue Bryce Young is doing a fine job on his own of ruining things.

She probably got tired of polishing the turd that is the Carolina Panthers under the Tepper's on a weekly basis. Eventually it must get tiring typing up lies you don't actually even believe. Good for her.

Isn't this the second one in three years? The Tepper's are amongst the worst in all of sports. It's comical that people have carried water for him and his wife.

Clausen was bad all around. He's the worst we've seen over the last 20 years. No argument. The issue is Jimmy Clausen is the only QB we can look to in these last few decades that has a comparable distinct lack of big play ability as a passer. He simply lacked the physicality. We're asking the same questions about Bryce after a very steep investment. That's alarming. And while we point fingers in every direction to defend Young we have to ask ourselves just why this OL did not look this bad last season. It's mostly the same group. Eventually you have to wonder if the fact we are tailoring our offense to fit Young's strengths and hide his weaknesses are a significant detriment to the unit overall. I also think whether it's coaching scheme or Bryce our weapons are not as bad as people are making them out to be. Stroud just set the rookie single game passing record with a jag as his leading receiver.

The recent thread about Clausen sent me looking at the numbers. Bryce Young so far through his rookie season has a 5.5 YPA compared to Jimmy's career YPA of 5.3. There's no way to spin that into a positive. For comparison sake doing a quick dive on our QB's the last several years. Teddy was 7.6 in 2020. Kyle Allen was 6.8 in 2019. Sam Darnold was 6.7 as a Panther. Baker Mayfield was 6.4 last year and PJ Walker was 6.9. It is wild to me that there are people suggesting those acknowledging things like this should quit being a Panthers fan. That takes a truly deranged level of coping.

Are you okay? You know he has a mom and dad already right? He doesn't need you to adopt him bud. I assure you Bryce Young certainly is. He's got about 37 million reasons at this point in time to keep chugging on regardless of how this is going good or bad. And sorry no one here is required to bow before you and your standards of only praise being allowed. I don't see anyone questioning his character his intelligence or his family history like was done with Stroud. His performance on the field has been assessed as it has with every QB before him. People want him to play better and look like the guy we expect for where we picked. 98% of the folks here will be thrilled to see it. Nobody except for a few trolls wants this team to be bad. But just as those trolls are hindering real dialogue you all or nothing superior fan types aren't helping either.

IE his yes man.

Tua is who most thought he was. He can't win under the bright lights against the best. It's all embarrassing. Do you remember the Doug Flutie comparisons before the draft?

The desperate attempts to compare Bryce to Tua remind me of when folks were comparing Darnold to Tannehill hoping we could replicate that. We see how that turned out for both teams.

The Tepper's got who they wanted.