Panthers Rhule

I'm going to give my 2 cents after a long hiatus. I'm not going to focus on the player's ability as I can now admit that I don't really know so much about that. I will focus on the way the draft was run based on said objectives and how those objectives were obtained. It's not based on what I wanted but what they said they wanted. Whether or not that's a good thing remains to be seen but Dan Morgan was a bad ass on the field and I'm happy with the idea of looking for badasses moving forward. I know the key word is dawgs but I have to deal with key words in my work all the time and they make me sick so I'll just use old terms like badass. I wasn't high on Legette, I wanted another but he was gone so it doesn't matter. I understand why they wanted him and they got him. More importantly to me is the way they got him. People like to say it was for the 5th year option but I doubt that was the main reason because if he's really good they will want to sign him long term and not use that tag as it's expensive anyway. It's more of an emergency thing and usually not a good sign of a healthy relationship. It was more likely because someone else wanted him and we knew it so we used our connections to move up and take him from another team. Yes, we traded up but it cost us practically nothing overall. A (We got our target) Next, I would like to include the part of the draft that impressed me most. Whether or not the pick was right or wrong I have know idea yet and neither does anyone else but these moves were brilliant. Morgan traded pick 39 for 52 and 155 PLUS a 2nd next season. I know people say a second next year has a 3rd year value this year and that's true but next year it has a 2nd round value and for a team without a 2nd round pick that's huge even if it's likely later in the round. For a team rebuilding that's great. Even better, is they then traded up at a low cost, once again increasing draft value to get their 2nd target and it worked. Again, I'm not judging the pick but the execution. It appears that they had targets early in this draft and they got both of them and at the same time improved next season draft and put themselves in position on the board to grab other targets even if from this point on it's not the primary target necessarily at that pick but someone they are ok with but they got their first 2. A (drafted first 2 primary targets and improved this year's draft and next years) At this point, I assume it becomes more difficult to pinpoint specific targets as they did in rounds 1 and 2. However, it looks to me like once again they worked this out well overall. The next trade back may have cost them their 3rd target and they may have had to take the back-up pick here. I don't know how they valued the LBs but I think it's possible that they selected their 2nd choice here but, because of what they get next from that trade , it was worth it to them. Instead of 1 player they wanted as a primary target, they got the back-up 3rd pick target and still got their 4th primary target. Meaning they got their 2nd LB target but still got their primary TE target instead of getting only one primary target at one position. IMO, this is when we can really see how each trade was well thought out to give the Panthers the best chance to improve the roster with their guys. Again, it's not an evaluation of the players themselves but what they wanted. Although this time I will say that I LOVE the Sanders pick personally and the fact that they could get him and a much needed LB in this part of the draft is better than I had hoped for. B+ (I don't think they got their first target at LB but got their 2nd and yet still got their first target at TE and) The last 3 picks are usually anyone's guess and I think the last 2 are just that. Throw a hail mary and maybe you score a TD. But I think the 5th pick is from the 25 yard line instead of the 50. It's still a long shot but possible which is why we ran a play to get us here for 1 shot instead of 2 from further away. I can understand both lines of thought but I'm partial to percentages and therefore I agree with the process that got us the pick here as I think this player has a chance. Could we have got a player with a better chance of being our long-term nickle in draft? Probably. Would I take that player over either of our previous 2 picks? Absolutely not. LB and TE are more important to me than nickle db. It's a 5th rounder so if he looks bad we can try again but if he shows promise, which I think is possible in this defense then day 3 is at least a FG. The last 2 picks are throws from the 40 or 45 after a penalty but if either one hits the board then day 3 was a TD. B- (I upped the score because the trades that improved day 2 hurt day 3 but overall I think the moves were good value so I increased the day 3 rating from a C to a B-) Overall, A-. I think Morgan did a masterful job targeting specific players, which I approve of, and manipulating trades to acquire those players. I'm actually very impressed.

I'll just quit then.

Yeah, but Rhule is hated and loathed now by the whole site. That's tough to deal with. I'm asking for a mercy decision from the powers that be. It's not a stupid name or old name. Rhule is literally hated.

I could use some help. I joined this site right when Matt Rhule was made head coach. As many of you know I'm a homer. I admit it and I try to be a positive guy in general and I do believe in giving people a fair chance. So, I spent almost a year of my life defending this guy, this team and everything else. I criticized other for being so negative and although I do still prefer positivity, I have to admit that I was completely wrong and my good intentions were unfounded. So now, I eat my crow. The problem I have now is that the name I chose, while full of enthusiasm for the future of this team now makes me sick. The first help I need is to know or ask if there is any way that I could please change my name? Mods? My second problem is what should the new name be. I'm usually creative but at this moment I have zero inspiration. I need a new name if they will let me change my current name. I'm open to ideas. Post your new name here and whichever one gets the most honest support I'll use if I'm allowed to change. I would hope that any name's given will come from people who have actually talked and interacted with me over the last 3 years. Cheers and please help. I don't want to see Rhule or Rule when I log in anymore. Thanks, and I guess there's always next season.

What hurts the most is knowing the Bills organization was in ours. That could have been us.

Yet ATLANTA?!! is tied for first at 2-2

I thought about that but still too similar. I should probably be more realistic and go with Panthers maybe next season

There are too many teams now. This is why the quality of the League is so low. Too many teams and too many games.

As was all for giving him this last shot this season but this team as looked really bad. The offense is awful. Nothing has changed from last season even with all the moves to improve. At this point, unless something drastically changes, he needs to go. I believe in giving people their time and opportunities but at some point we have to see something that resembles success, which we are not, at that point you have to blame the HC. I have no more excuses for Rhule. If we come out and look like garbage again then make the change. My biggest issue at that point will be what to call myself.

I don't think you're helping yourself here. Henderson has been ok. Not a problem.

Why?

Lol, you're taking your ball and going home now? Need a time out?

Ah, you prefer fantasy land over reality. Got it. I'm no longer confused. Which QB for any cost should we have?

Yes, in the sense that he's at the top but it's also true that he isn't actually playing the game. Are all the QBs playing badly because of Rhule or do they just suck? That is the point of this thread I think.

Baker has been very disappointing though. I was expecting much more.

Who else should be here? Which of the possibilities would you have taken for less than 5 mil?

Nope, there's no way to defend what we've seen the first 2 games. We have looked terrible. I hope we turn it around but if we continue to look like this then I am done defending him. This is year 3 and we can't play like this.

Yes, it the first drive of the season that is very clear

Let's go Panthers!

I think long term deal. Keep him happy. He's also already demonstrated that he'll at least consider a pay cut in the current situation and he's stated that money isn't his motivation. It's possible he's the kind that will accept a good but team friendly deal so that he can win. How many millions does a person really need? We'll see but I think he's that guy. Brady did that and that's probably why he's still playing. Perhaps Baker sees that too. His career is shaky already and he knows that. If he wants to have a long and successful career he'll need to play for a good team. He can't take all the money and play on that type of team.

Not if you need to drop players back to help with pass coverage instead of playing the up like we were doing.

If I'm not mistaken, teams started running against us when Horn went down. We stuffed the Saints run but when we lost horn we had to change. I don't expect us to have as much trouble this season and we have added or promoted players to help there as well. So last year was last year, this year we'll see soon enough but I won't look for reasons to expect failure.

First of all let me say that this is an excellent post. Very thoughtful with many good points. I absolutely agree with your opening about Rhule and Tepper being "org chart guys". I can definitely see that and I agree with you. However, after that I begin to see things from a different angle. I'm not saying you're wrong as I don't know yet but I would like to share my perception. First, as for Bridgewater, I don't care about that. All orgs protect the org. If Rhule isn't forced to do people's jobs then I don't think he will. He doesn't interfere with Snow and I see no reason why he should with McAdoo. As for his pay and that coaches' list I'd say that each one of those coaches have a playoff roster first of all, and the others either have or can recruit a good QB each season. The Panthers had none of those when Rhule arrived. I can see the Roster coming along nicely and my hopes are high for Baker. I believe in him. When I judge Rhule I look at those things for now. Yes, we need to see it on the field I agree but I also think we are doing things in the right way. The progress of players like Luvu, Christianson, Shi, and also Baker with how fast things have gone. He looked ok to be so soon. I see good coaching when I see this. It's not all Rhule but he is the HC so it's his process and he has good staff now I believe. He is obviously in a much better place going into this season and it shows. I think this season is going to be fun again.

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