Panthers Rhule

I would also like to explain why I like both Wilson and Lance. I don't think I've done this yet around here. I believe another very important aspect of all prospects goes beyond their natural talents. It involves personalities and characteristics. As I cannot interview players I have to trust the coaches for that part but I can evaluate characteristics to some degree. Wilson has demonstrated the ability to improve. He had a good first season and then regressed a little in his second season as players will often do but he was battling an injury so it's understandable. But in his third season he showed great improvement and especially where it matters most to me in his passing and reading skills. This makes me believe that he can continue to improve and especially if he has the proper coaching. If they believe he's close to Teddy's level now, with improvement I could feel confident I have someone who will be much better moving forward. With Lance I also saw tremendous improvement but differently. He came from a small town school. He was a great athlete. Major universities did not want him as a QB for this reason. He went to NDS and was a RS and learned how to be a QB and in his first and only season was really good at it. That was a big improvement over who he was coming into University. Again, it demonstrates that he can learn and improve given time and coaching. Plus as a bonus it demonstrates a belief in his abilities. I really like that trait in a young player and especially at QB. I think both of those kids would be great here or with any team that put them into a position to succeed. That last part is so important for the majority of QB prospects. I think Carolina would offer Wilson and Lance a great opportunity to become good NFL QBs.

I won't discuss Lawrence as he's a Jaguar. Not doubts about it. Of the remaining "top 5" prospects, I honestly only want to of them For the Panthers. Wilson and Lance. If we traded up with the Jets I would be thrilled as long as we don't give more than the 49ers did to get 3. I think Wilson would flourish with us and quickly, I really do. Or I'd prefer to take Lance at 8 but if necessary I'd be ok with moving up 1-3 spots for him. I think he would flourish here as well but would need a little more time probably. However, long term he may be the better of the 2 for us. I don't think Jones is a good fit as we don't want a game manager. Fields has some qualities that we'd want, definitely more than Jones but I just don't think he will be able to do all the things we will be asking him to do in this offense. Listening to the interview it seemed to me that Cosell wasn't really high on him either. After years of a great athlete but average QB I don't want that again. I think Lance's QB skills are much better and that's why I'd would take him over Fields. If our only choice was Fields or Jones at 8, I would honestly pass on both and either get my LT or trade down a few spots and still get my LT. For me it's Wilson, Lance or LT. Anything else and I will be ok but not really happy.

Actually, I just found this interesting little chart of QBs in SBs and their Unis SB QB + Unis BYU is actually tied for third most going 2 for 2. Only Alabama and Purdue are better at 3 for 3 each. ND is 2 for 3 and Stanford is also 2 for 2

Plus Jim McMahon and Steve Young came from BYU too. Both won Super Bowls. So it's not like he's a reach just because he comes from BYU.

Yeah, They cut Pennington's career short. If I were a QB and the Jets wanted to draft me in the first round to start right away I would refuse. Better to sit out a year than lose a career playing for them. There are a couple od Franchises that have a history of killing QBS and for me, until they prove differently by making a veteran work somewhat I'd want no part of them. Jets are definitely one. Bengals are another, Cleveland was till maybe recently but will see on that one. This season I wouldn't want to go to Texas or the Lions plus the Jets. Those would be my 3 no thanks. Giants would make me unhappy as well.

Yes you're right. Mahomes likes to improvise. You could even say he's at his best when he improvises. When I watched the SB I also saw that show a sign of being a potential weakness for him long term though. When things got tough he was looking to improvise every down. Of course, he was getting a lot of pressure but by the 2nd half he was scrambling or looking to scramble instead of looking downfield too early. He's the most exciting QB in the league by far but I'm curious to see how he moves forward from that game. He reminds me of Wilson and he and the Chiefs could follow that same path that the Seahawks have. He also reminds me of an even older QB who was better when he was running around, Fran Tarkenton. He's way more athletic but has that same playing style.

The Panthers are trading with the Jets. The deal has already been worked out. That's why the 49ers took Miami's 3rd. But it's not for Darnold, it's for the 2nd pick. It's a new age on Long Island. They are finally going to do the right the thing. Panthers will have pick 2 in the 2021 draft and Wilson is going to be our path to glory. Everyone get ready to be excited.

Welcome to 2021!!! Nothing makes sense anymore. I've already given up trying to understand anything.

Chinn is great but in know way would I say I'd rather have him than Justin Herbert. Definitely moving up 2 spots last season and drafting Justin Herbert is the missed move that sticks in my head the most right now considering how much time we've all spent discussing QBs the last few months.

Panthers: Do you have a Wilson at 8? BYU: Go Fish BYU: Do you have pick 2? Panther: Go Fish Panthers: Do you have super fast guy we can sign for almost nothing? BOOM!!! GAME OVER I must say I really like that we did that. This is another out of nowhere signing like the RB. Has something you can't teach so you bring him to camp and see what he can be taught. Zero risk with the possibility of finding a piece that can contribute to your team. That's due diligence. Very smart and I'm happy to be that team. I'm pulling for both of those guys. I always love underdogs. Hard work and perseverance can pay off. You earn your chance and take your shot. Dreams sometimes come true. Give it everything you have guys and good luck to both of you.

New signing. Former BYU WR Micah Simon. They liked him at Zach's pro day. He's super fast. Tom Pelissero on Twitter: "Zach Wilson wasn’t the only standout at BYU pro day last week. Former Cougars WR Micah Simon -- undrafted last year after COVID wiped out his pro day -- caught passes from Wilson, ran a reported 4.34 40-yard dash … and signed today with the #Panthers, per source." / Twitter

Not diving on a fumble in the Super Bowl. Or is that the opposite of bold?

Who is there for the Panthers?

Guy in mask: Do you want to get Sushi for dinner tonight? Billy: No

However, The 49ers didn't draft Young. He was brought in to be the back up and just ended up being good n Walsh's system. Before that he was considered a bust. The Montana-Young part shouldn't have been included in the original statement as it was a different thing.

If I'm Detroit, I'm waiting till draft day and if there is a QB still available then I'm on the phone with Carolina, Denver, Chicago, Washington asking who wants to make sure they get this guy? Detroit is in full rebuild so the more picks they can get is better than any one player they can get in my opinion.

First of all, thank you for responding to my post. I know you have a very valued opinion here and I value it too which is why I'm going to delve further. Perhaps I stated that wrongly, usually, there are few prospects that could go in the first but the order of those prospects are usually different per team. I would much more prefer to hear your take on the rest of what I said if you have the time and don't mind as I do value your opinion. "seems to me that every season teams don't always draft on general evaluations but evaluate based on what they want to do. So if I agree that Fields and Lance are more athletic, have better arms and higher potential but need to develop, and I have a team that's ready to win now and Jones has the attributes I want and will/can do what the play is designed to do, who do I bet my future on? The better prospect or the guy I think can do what I need him to do. My pick doesn't have to be the best player, just the best player for me. It's about winning. Marino was the best QB almost every season but Montana won 5 super bowls. The right player in the right system wins." Thank you in advance.

Isn't this usually the case? I'm not a scout nor an expert but I like trends. Seems to me that every season teams don't always draft on general evaluations but evaluate based on what they want to do. So if I agree that Fields and Lance are more athletic, have better arms and higher potential but need to develop, and I have a team that's ready to win now and Jones has the attributes I want and will/can do what the play is designed to do, who do I bet my future on? The better prospect or the guy I think can do what I need him to do. My pick doesn't have to be the best player, just the best player for me. It's about winning. Marino was the best QB almost every season but Montana won 5 super bowls. The right player in the right system wins. Which would you prefer?

No way. You do not draft a QB at 4 to sit on the bench for 2 years. Ryan is 35 and a top 10 QB. He could play well for at least another 3 years and the way his contract is it would be super dumb to cut him before 2024. Then, the QB you just drafted would only have 2-3 years left on his rookie contract. Why would anyone want to rebuild that way? ATL is notoriously loyal. They are not going to just cut Ryan. He's the most successful QB they have ever had and he will retire there. Their problem isn't even on offense but defense. They might go offensive weapon at number 4 or maybe OL but they are definitely not going QB. I'm not buying that sell at all.

YOu do know that the Jets drafted an LT last season with pick 11, right? Mekhi Becton, and he played well for a rookie LT. So why would they give up potentially 3 first round picks plus at least another 3rd to draft another LT at 2? They either draft QB or trade down to add an offensive weapon that they surely need. If they don't go QB it would make a lot more sense to trade down with someone like Carolina so they have all those picks plus they should be able to get 1 of the big 4 receiving threats. If I were them, that's what I would do but what they do I doubt they even know for sure yet. But I'm 99% positive they won't draft Sewell at 2.

I wouldn't agree with that at all. Are you really going to tell me that a coach and a GM purposefully lost games so that they could also lose their jobs and set up the next 2 guys for success? Man o' man. Where do you guys get this tanking stuff from? Is it a millennial thing? Too many participation trophies? This stuff just drives me crazy. Maybe I'm just old now but when I was coming up if anyone even suggested losing for next season they'd get socked in the mouth.

Actually, that statement is probably true. I could understand that. Doesn't mean they won't draft someone else but it could still be a true statement. I mean, it looks like the 49ers aren't so big on Fields and probably Lance neither. So who knows how each team evaluates them.

What's the good old boys club?

Everyone talks about consistency with Mond. I get it. I've read those same articles too but I also looked at his stats the last 3 years. *2018 Texas A&M SEC SO QB 13 238 415 57.3 3107 7.5 7.7 24 9 135.0 *2019 Texas A&M SEC JR QB 13 258 419 61.6 2897 6.9 6.9 20 9 131.1 *2020 Texas A&M SEC SR QB 10 188 297 63.3 2282 7.7 8.5 19 3 146.9 That looks pretty consistent to me while also showing improvement in his last season. Also, unlike the other 4 QBs in the discussion, he wasn't playing for the best team on the field most every game. He has faults just like the others but his faults are also correctable with coaching.