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Watching another coaching staff run Cam into a defense with no OL to protect him is making me feel some type of way

Miller, Elflein, and Erving all being back there on the sack is pretty much what we expected when they were all signed

Josh Allen's game reminds me so much of Cam's. It's crazy.

It's getting so bad that at this point I'll do it without looking back unless I'm looking back at it

Watching the state of South Carolina take nothing but L's throughout time has prepared me for levels of disappointment some could only dream of.

Christensen and Moton are looking like the only competent players that have started. Cameron Erving kept it together early on but last week was vintage Erving. I have bitched about Elflein & Paradis since their split arrivals. At this point, throw Deonte Brown into the deep end and see if he sinks or swims.

Not exactly confirmed, but...

He lost one rep vs. ATL as a blocker, and to be honest it was less of a lost rep and more of a lunging to clear a path that nobody was in. Dude has been as advertised as a better-than-rookie run blocker which isn't something we see often. Super excited to see what he can do with more pass catching opportunities like you mentioned!

Jags actually did something smart by waiting for Meyer to eventually give them cause to fire him? :o If only they had listened in the beginning and not hired him. also:

Josh Lambo: *exists* Urban Meyer:

Thank you!! I stole the layout from this thread.

A professional one because Cam is a professional.

Introduction "Darnold-to-Arnold!" seems like it was so long ago already. While there's been plenty of chatter about the former of that duo, not much has been said about the latter. Dan Arnold was brought in as a cost-effective free agent signing to get more out of the TE position following the departure of Chris Manhertz. Manhertz was always regarded as a blocking tight end, so when the Panthers opted to bring in a pass-catching tight end to compete with Ian Thomas many believed that team was signaling that the position was going to be featured more in the offense. In reality, Arnold was targeted less than 5 times a game before being a part of the CJ Henderson trade. Since then Arnold has doubled his average targets (~3.6 -> ~ 7.2) while in Jacksonville, leaving his share from his time here is split between Thomas and a rookie tight end that made the coaches comfortable with trading Arnold away in the first place. When the Panthers selected Tommy Tremble with the 83rd pick this year, Matt Rhule was visibly excited by what he thought the Notre Dame TE could bring to the team. So excited was Rhule that he went as far as to make a comparison to a productive fan favorite from the previous draft: While he hasn't had the impact that Chinn had during his 2020 All-Rookie season, Tremble has shown consistent improvement in a season where a large majority of his teammates and coaches have regressed. The Panthers like his versatility, but currently they look most concerned with running the rookie out of a couple of formations as a lead blocker on screens or catching a couple of passes over the middle. #82 hasn't disappointed either, as we'll see looking at a few clips from the recent loss to Atlanta. There was plenty to not like about that game, but the performance of Tommy Tremble (and Brady Christensen to an extent, but that's for another thread) show that the team still has some guys on the roster trending up. "Watching the Tape" Q1 11:40 - 1st & 10 (CAR 45) - Erickson and Anderson out left, Tremble and Moore out right. The play is an RPO with screens on both sides of the field and with the nickel out left and the SS rolling down into the box, Cam makes the pre-snap read and fires it out right. Tremble explodes off of the line once the ball is snapped and meets the CB at the 46 to lock him while DJ catches the ball and scoots into Atlanta territory for 11yds. The Panthers would run this same play from the same look twice more during the game on 1st & 10. In the 2nd quarter, the Falcons showed incredible in-game adjustments and stuffed the play as Cam tried to keep it. Unfortunately, Dennis Daley was also ineligible downfield so instead of just an incompletion the play resulted in a loss of yards. In the fourth quarter, Atlanta would stop the handoff to Chuba for a gain of 2yds. Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers 2021 REG 14 - Game Cent.mp4 Q1 9:46 - 1st & 10 (ATL 34) - Another RPO look where Tremble is lined up on the outside to block on a screen. Cam slings it out to Zylstra who gets the first down before a defender can even touch him. Robby and Tommy completely neutralizing their guys resulted in a 15yd gain. This is the type of play calling and execution that we like to see from our offense. Unfortunately, when they ran the same thing in the 2nd quarter, Cameron Erving completely missed the DT who along with the DE blew up Cam Newton in the backfield. Fortunately, QB1 saw the calamity unfolding and handed the ball of to Abdullah who was able to bounce it back inside for a gain of 4yds. Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers 2021 REG 14 - Game Cent-3.mp4 Q3 14:02 - 3rd & 3 (CAR 47) - Lined up in a bunch again, Tremble comes out of the formation and settles into the soft spot between the two LBs (passed the first down as well) while Cam fits it right behind the LB's name plate as he's dropping back. Tommy turns it up field and rumbles for another 5+ yards, dragging the Falcons defense with him as he secures the first down plus another 11 yards. That third down conversion would also be the last one that the team needed on the drive, scoring just five plays later on a Chuba run (but before we get to that play, we've got another from the same drive!). Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers 2021 REG 14 - Game Cent-8.mp4 Q3 13:20 - 1st & 10 (ATL 39) - Not exactly a huge play, but this snap in particular shows that Tremble's motor is always going. He starts the play off by holding off the LB who seems to be tasked with first containing Newton and then dropping back. Once the defender disengages from him, Tremble starts looking for someone to hit. The ball gets dumped off to Ameer Abdullah, and Tremble responds by giving the LB he had just stonewalled a little extra to remember him by. This is a common theme in Tremble's game: he does not stop giving 110% until the play is over. This relentless approach often pays off in games as well as we'll later see. Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers 2021 REG 14 - Game Cent-9.mp4 Q3 11:26 - 1st & 10 (ATL 17) - RPO concept vs. the strong side edge that includes a screen to the opposite side of the field. The LB flies upfield directly to Newton who leaves the ball in Chuba's arms with a very simple objective: run to daylight. Tremble does an excellent job getting to the second level to block the LB while DJ Moore escorts the CB out of the path of Chuba's touchdown parade. These two lined up on the same side of the field is really, really good for the run game. Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers 2021 REG 14 - Game Cent-11.mp4 These last two plays occurred during the 4th quarter and show Tremble successfully doing something the coaches don't often ask him to do when he's on the field: get open deep/intermediate. In this play, we see that Tremble beats his man and is behind him with what could've been a huge play for a possible touchdown but the entire interior offensive line fails in tandem. Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers 2021 REG 14 - Game Cent-13.mp4 In the this one, he comes across over the middle and even slows down the route for his but the ball is heading to the comeback on the outside in order to stop the clock. Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers 2021 REG 14 - Game Cent-14.mp4 Summary Currently, Ian Thomas has 13 catches on 25 targets for 146yds. Tommy Tremble has 15 catches on 24 targets for 143yds and 1 TD along with 2 rushing attempts for 7 yards and 1 TD. With Thomas' contract set to expire after this season, it is very likely Tommy Tremble will be the team's TE1 going forward. Have the Panthers' finally found their next great TE? They might have! What he has to show to get more opportunities only the current staff knows (if they know), but this young man is making the most out of his opportunities in a season where there hasn't been many to shine on this offense.

The fact that he's putting up personal bests during a season where everything around him is inconsistent attests to how solid of a player he is. The man has produced with awful OL and chaotic QB play all while in a system that doesn't even attempt to scheme guys open. Pay him!!

This more and more what I'm starting to expect to be the approach for next season. Rhule and company have attached their wagon to Sam Darnold, and with the lack of resources available in 2022 compared to 2023 I can see them doing what they can to try and improve the OL with the excuse being that Brady's system was advertised as being a way to work around a deficient line. As it currently stands, I'm all in on Evan Neal, Tyler Linderbaum, Ikem Ekwonu, Kenyon Green, Charles Cross, and Jaxson Kirkland. Unfortunately, that means that I'm expecting the staff to covet Cade Mays for his "versatility." If the team opts to not go LT in the 1st (TYLER LINDERBAUM PLS), I wouldn't mind using one of the day 3 picks on Obinna Eze out of TCU.

It's not going to be easy, that much is for sure. This offensive needs a QB, LT, LG, C, TE2, OL depth, and an actual scheme that can succeed in today's NFL while stuck with salary cap restrictions as well as no day 2 picks (though, to be fair, CJ Henderson for a third is actually starting to look like a steal).

Pls sir I can only suppress so much rage

I'm getting increasingly nervous that they're going to keep Rhule and march Sam out for another 17 games next season behind Erving-Jordan-Elflein-Christensen-Moton, but at least at that point the next staff could come in with as close to a clean slate as we've seen.

The answer is to trade down to re-acquire a day 2 pick (or two), draft Tyler Linderbaum, and then wait for the season to start so that we can rage that it wasn't a QB or LT.

Woo chile, back on ignore you go until you heal.

You know, with the way that the roster is currently structured in that this team is basically what we're looking at next year with few resources to do much tinkering with, it almost feels like we have to just ride with the poo show next season so that when 2023 starts the team will have draft capital + plenty of cap space to work with. This is as close to a Houston situation as we can be sans the Deshaun Watson fiasco. Unless the new coaching staff is getting to treat next season like "year 0" with expectations to simply be "don't regress" in the following season... idk... this just doesn't seem like an attractive head coaching destination currently. Granted, there's only 32 of those spots so they're attractive regardless, but this is ass.

I always get tickled by the "If you're skilled enough to get paid to play a sport professionally then I'm entitled to be a piece of poo towards you," sentiment that inevitably pops up in response to these threads.

The way they structured the player contracts, they really thought that they were going to be competing this season and next. Now they're out a 2nd and 3rd while staring at a potential top 10 pick. It does raise the question about whether or not they just march this out next season before pulling the plug midway thru. This isn't quite Houston-level bad yet, but we're getting there.

OOF