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At least we have saw a guy that helped a team win 11 games and that year, he was a leader. Last year I'll admit, he was all over the place but he did play through a torn left shoulder. I'm sure some guys in the locker room liked that. Cleveland is a hard place to critique players because of all of the dysfunction. Landry, O'Dell and others all got the boot. I'll admit that he has some quarks but if we dealing with Rhule... id rather he not have a rookie qb and then get fired and a new coach wants another qb. I hate the thought of a lame duck coach with a rookie qb. If Baker does good, it's a win.... if he doesn't, we get to rinse ourselves of him and Rhule.

That is true but leadership is a big void on this team.... Look at the Falcons. Even when they were losing, they fought behind Matt Ryan bc of course they always thought they had a chance but Matt was a leader. He will do the same in Indy. I just hate seeing a Qb(like Darnold etc) just sit and look at a tablet when things are feeling low.

Definitely understand that and that is vital to me too but this team just looks so flat out there on Sundays. We need some type of juice. In an ideal world, you can get both but as long as the team has faith, I'm good. Stoic isn't bad if you got a nice squad built around and good coaching but we got so many question marks. When coaching looks like it isn't working, we need someone the guys can rally behind. Does that have to be a Quarterback... nope but it does help. Mahomes, Brady, Allen, Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow and more are guys you see on the sideline rallying the troops.

Aye I'm all for an NFL Qb myself.... im just stating it'd be good to have one that the team believes in and can pick the team up when need be. Outside of Cam and Delhomme....every Qb we have had has been stoic and the squad feeds off that stale energy. 1st and foremost it's obvious that we need a Qb with skill... but we need a leader on this team bad.

Lol Aye that is pure facts!! Lol The whole vibe of the team shifted!!

This is spot on!!! We have been extremely spoiled over the years and these past couple of years it has been extremely obvious! It has made me respect Delhomme even more too because despite his limitations or flaws, the team believed in him.

@iamhubby1 I recall him constantly doing that during all the Seattle games. It was a monkey on our back and he was determined to get us over that. Him and Olsen stayed pushing the team during that stretch.

@kungfoodude Yeah Im sure Shaq is animated behind the scenes n etc but i was referring to when stuff is getting bad and the sidelines just look flat and lethargic. I just have the visions of Davis or Cam and etc going on the sidelines and keeping players focused. That is vital in sports because some people just naturally can push other players buttons. Shaq may be doing that but it is obvious that we need a few more guts and Id like my Qb to be able to keep folk locked in.

@kungfoodude True indeed! It may come but it's definitely something needed. Shaq is ok but he still doesn't have the same vibe(energy) that previous Linebackers brought to the team. It's always a bonus when your QB can walk up n down the sideline during adversity or with a lead. I hate Matt Ryan and Brees but both of those guys brought that as I also stated Cam n Jake did for us.

@LinvilleGorge I agree, NFL caliber is the most important thing. I think this teams success has always been when our Qb had extreme energy. So far Delhomme and Cam... regardless of flaws... brought that extra to the team and honest that can be the difference in a game come the 4th quarter. I understand your logic tho but we definitely need some voices on this team soon.

When I reflect back on how flat our team looked during a ton of games, it is vital we find a Quarterback that leads with energy(and a voice). If we had a Thomas Davis or Etc then I'd say we don't need our Qb to be the rah rah type. The issue is we don't and I get tired of the cameras going to the sideline to see everyone(Rhule included) just stagnant. I'm not sure which Quarterback that is but I hope the front office finds that guy soon(this year or next) and with resolve. The selection this year is Pickett, Willis, Jimmy G, Baker and possibly Kyler. Out of that list, they say Willis and Pickett are leaders and regardless of how people feel about Baker(I'm on the fence myself) the guy does have good energy during games to keep people fired up.

Exactly.... its why I say if we do go down that road, I'd rather see if Baker has peaked. Jimmy had the perfect supporting cast on both sides and just doesn't have enough. I'm not even completely sold on Baker but I think that chip on his shoulder and his energy would be welcomed. This team is devoid of leaders that talk and he at least brings that asset.

He has the same trend at 2 stops and its not coincidence. Young guys steps in(Jaylen and Bridges) and his injury history pushes him back to the bench. The guy can play but maybe he needs to go somewhere with less usage (30 mins) and less wear n tear.

Good move for Gilmore. They definitely got the pieces to contend.

I concur bro!! If we going that route, might as well roll Sam back out and suffer without the resources being wasted.

I wouldnt even do a 4th. In this draft that could very well be a starting guard. Honestly, I'm not trading for a Qb coming of surgery on his throwing shoulder.

Can't throw until August and has never threw to our players. I'd want my new qb getting reps before August. This is a horrible fit...

Exactly!! If the NFL starts having to go the route of the NBA, then some major changes(extreme increase in cap space n etc) will have to come!!

I think he meant FANS won't be crying.... #typo

saying this out loud is extremely funny!! Lol

Exactly, it's why I get Jay Cutler vibes.

You're welcome @ellis and most definitely!!!

These are facts! When I look at it... Gobert makes the most sense if we want to bring Kai along slowly. When Goberts contract is up, Kai would be in the wings ready.

Definitely worth the listen!!

Yeah he seems to have a slight Nonchalant Jay Cutler attitude sometimes it seems... More talented but idk