tukafan21

So your solution to being an unattractive destination is to fire the HC halfway through his first season after trading away our future to take an undersized QB... and you think that's going to make us a MORE attractive option? You're literally asking us to cut off our nose to spite our face thinking it's going to make us a beauty queen. This team isn't getting fixed overnight, people need to stop overreacting and just accept that we're not going to be good for a few years, deal with it, and embrace building this team back up the correct way. It won't be fun, but it's just what we have to do or we'll keep shooting ourselves in the foot and not get anywhere. My suggestion... find something else to care deeply about during this time of year for the next couple years. For me, I'm all in on Wrexham AFC, the show hooked me last year and I've become a serious fan of the club, gives me some enjoyment this time of year to follow them and just let the Panthers slowly burn to hell in the background.

Exactly, it's a results based business and the current state of our franchise isn't set up to have good results. Coaches know they generally only get one shot at succeeding as a HC and if they fail, it's much harder to get another chance. Tepper has gone with the hot college name and the experienced vet so far in his two HC hires. The next one he makes, he is clearly going to want to find the next McVay or McDaniels, a young innovative mind. Those guys aren't going to risk their shot on Bryce and the current state of this team, especially if we're bad enough the rest of the season to cost Reich his job.

This is absolute nonsense Ryans refused to even interview with us, Johnson removed his name from consideration after interviewing, and we couldn't get Steichen either. The young, up and coming HC candidates wanted nothing to do with us last offseason, having a possible bust at QB, no first round pick, and firing a coach in the middle of his first season isn't going to create more interest in our job. Yes, of course there will be people who want the job because there are only 32 of them, but they're not going to be the people that we want to hire for the job. They're going to be past HC's who have been bad in the past and lost their jobs because of it, we're not going to get a young innovative mind who will take that job, they'll put a Ben Johnson and stay for another season to wait for a better opportunity.

Seriously people, we need to stop with this nonsense that he's a #1 and is worth going after. He's still living off his reputation as being from Alabama, a 1st round pick, and having the skills you want in a #1. But he's in his 4th season and hasn't come close to living up to any of it. In his first 3 years he had totals of 856, 467, and 972 yards with 9 total TDs (3 of them came in one game). He has 5 career 100 yard games, with 2 of them coming in the final game of the season in both 2020 and 2022, so decent chance those were against scrub backups who were still playing at that point. He has 7 career games over 77 yards receiving.... let me repeat that... in 44 career games, he's only been able to top 77 yards SEVEN times, and one of them was the 70-20 blowout to Miami 2 weeks ago and he was still only able to get 81 yards in a pass heavy game script. And all of that is before you even get to his well known reputation for being a hothead and a diva. You can't be a Stefon Diggs if you don't put that production out there on the field. Also to everyone saying "well we don't hit on our draft picks so why not give up a 3rd for him", you either don't realize or ignore the fact that he has $13 million guaranteed next year. There is not reason to give away what little draft capital we have left while also eating into our cap room that we finally will have for the first time in forever. He would be an attempted fix at WR in the same way that Two Gloves, Darnold, and Baker were at QB... someone who costs draft assets and too much money for players who have never performed to their draft status and we think we can fix, we have to learn from our past mistakes and stop making them over and over again.

Even if Tepper was 100% sure it was the wrong hire, under no circumstances can he fire him during the season. This franchise is a mess right now, if you hire someone as respected around the league as Reich is, let him assemble the all star staff that he did, and then fire him in the middle of his first season, NOBODY is going to want that job next year. There is no chance we'd be able to hire an up and coming coach, most coaches get one shot at being a HC and if they fail, they never get another, they're not going to risk that one chance on this situation. We'd be stuck choosing from a bunch of re-tread options yet again and be underwhelmed by whoever the choice is. I don't think you can even fire him after the first season either as it's the same situation, the odds of a young up and coming coach wanting to risk his potentially one shot at a HC job on Bryce, seem very low. I also still think Tepper knows the analytics say that GM's and HC's that aren't hired in tandem, tend to fail and he hasn't hired them in tandem yet and that will be his next move. My best guess is that after the season (or maybe during it) Fitterer gets fired and Morgan is promoted to GM. Then Morgan and Reich get this offseason and next season to try and fix things, if they can't, they're both gone. But even then, if we're bad enough to get them both fired with Bryce still only 2 years into his career, it might be tough to get a good enough HC candidate to take the job and bet on Bryce. If that happens, I feel like we'll go with the Lovie Smith route, hire some re-tread as a sacrificial lamb (while keeping Morgan as the GM), let them fail for a season to get us a top draft pick in 2026 and hope we can attract a young offensive minded coach with that pick being theirs to choose a new QB with.

I think he's better than Mooney, but Jeudy just isn't a #1. If we had a true #1 on the team, I wouldn't be as against paying Jeudy $13 million to be the #2. But we don't and we can't afford to pay that to Jeudy and then still go out there and pay someone like a Higgins.

It's still too much, if we're paying Jeudy $13 million next year, on top of having Thielen and Mingo, we're not going to be able to afford paying for another WR who is better than Jeudy to be our #1, and Jeudy is NOT a #1.

I still think Darnold was our best QB since Cam, but was submarined by horrible coaching. That Shannahan was wiling to keep him around as his backup while shipping out Lance for peanuts, tells me he's better than he showed for us.

I'm just hoping Tepper doesn't overreact to DJ going off tonight and makes a stupid trade next week because of it. He needs to just realize that we're not a good team right now and we probably won't be for a few years. Stop trading away future assets, trade players like Burns for picks and build up this team the right way. Basically what we should have done instead of trading it all away to get Bryce. Should have kept CMC, kept Moore, kept the rest of our picks and figured out QB another way, we'd be a much better team right now and in the future. But we didn't do that and it can't be fixed with one move or even in one offseason, we just need to do it right.

It's not the draft pick, it's the $13 million next season for an average WR. We already have average WRs, he's not a significant enough improvement to what we have to take on that contract for a player with a diva mentality. He's not going to react well when Thielen is still getting 10 targets a game in the slot, you don't want to put that on Bryce's plate with his early struggles.

Higgins hasn't put up the numbers that DK or Deebo have put up in their careers. And while he has pretty similar numbers to McLaurin, he's done that with Burrow and not the coverage the #1 WR gets, while McLaurin has done it as the only good offensive weapon on a team with no QB in his career, he earned that contract and if he had a Burrow as his QB, his numbers would have been huge. And I think it's pretty clear that we're not going to get a deal done with Burns, not getting ti done by the time the season started and then him shutting down discussions pretty much closed that book, it's trade time and I think we'll get a bigger return for him during the season by a team that thinks it can contend than we will in the offseason.

Refusing to play for a specific team that holds the #1 pick for certain reasons is different than halfway through your junior year of school having an apparent list of 5 teams that you'd play for, and think I saw the 49ers and Dolphins were on the list, which is just crazy to think there is any chance he could end up on either team.

Wish we had someone like this guy on the Bears tonight, 5 catches for 137 yards and 2 TDs barely into the 2nd quarter.

I didn't want to trade Burns either, but it's clear that we're not going to sign him to a contract that the team thinks is fair, or else we'd have gotten a deal done before the season started. Once the season started without a deal, he became a must trade for me because him playing out the year for us to tag him and him refuse to play on the tag is worst case scenario for next offseason. At this point we just have to trade him unfortunately. I also don't think Higgins will cost that much, probably more in the 18-22 a year I think. He knows he hasn't put up the numbers yet to get that 25 a year, but again, he's only 24, if he balls out the next couple years as someone's #1, he's going to get a huge extension at that point, and I'm fine with us being that team.

Yes, that's very cheap for a #1, but Jeudy isn't close to a #1, he was a first round pick who for 3 years has been an average #2 and still can't break out with a Sean Payton offense. That money could be used towards a better WR or be put to better use for other positions than to waste in on Jeudy.

It's also only as good as it's power Bryce is like trying to run today's graphics on a computer from 20 years ago, sure it might know how to do what it needs to do, but it doesn't have the required power to get the job done.

If the Bengals are trading him for a pick this year, I'm guessing someone offers a 1st for him. He's 24 years old and it won't require a very top of the market contract to re-sign him, that's hard to find right now and if they wait until the offseason, someone in the back half of the first round and needs a WR would make that trade in a heartbeat. Which is why I've always felt Burns (who I think is worth 2 firsts) for Higgins and a 1st makes a lot of sense for us and in a vacuum, but I think the Bengals will want a 1st back to get a good player on a cheap deal after giving Burrow that contract and still needing to pay Chase.

"only"?!?!?!?! $13 million would have him as a Top 20 WR cap hit in the league, the guy hasn't had a 1,000 yard season in his career and an "offensive genius" in Payton wants to trade him away instead of keeping him with that number on the books next year. His contract is the biggest reason to not have any interest in him, and I don't want him just for the player that he is, before you even factor in his biggest downside in that guaranteed contract next year

Media and fan love doesn't mean anything though, I also don't think the "run at him to neutralize him" issue would pop up on a SB caliber team like it does for us. We're generally losing and it allows teams to run on us more often than they may normally need to. If a contending team were to trade for him, he'd likely be able to pin his ears back and just rush the passer more often than not. Teams will, and do, value him more than the casual fan does.

https://predominantlyorange.com/posts/hypothetical-trade-package-jerry-jeudy-might-be-too-good-broncos-pass Oh good lord, this guy thinks the Broncos should trade Jeudy and a 4th for Burns I've always said nothing could get me to stop rooting for the Panthers, but this could test that theory, that would be an epically bad trade.

Again, nah.... not trading Burns in the end will also still just keep him really motivated this year to ball out as he knows it will affect his negotiating ability in the offseason. He won't play on the tag next year, so tagging him to trade him will end up happening and we'll trade him before the draft for some picks. There is no upside to selling short on Burns in season (which probably means we will)

Is this some kind of knock on his low TD numbers? Moore's worst year here was his rookie season with 788 yards, last year he had 888, his other 3 seasons were all over 1,150 yards. Jeudy's 3 seasons went 856, 467 (in 10 games), and 972 There is no comparison between them as WRs, Jeudy can only dream to be on the level of a DJ Moore

Nah.... the Panthers leverage in any Burns trade is that other teams will want him. You could even make the argument that knowing we can't come to a deal with him actually would make teams want to overpay to get him because they know they'll have to battle other interested teams and many would view a pass rusher like him as the final piece to a SB run.

I agree, which is why there really are only 2 trades out there that I'd make during this season to go after a WR. I'd trade Burns to the Lions for Jameson and a 1st or to the Bengals for Higgins and a 1st, but I don't think either of the other sides would do it as I think if the Bengals trade Higgins, they want draft picks, and I don't see the Lions trading for Burns to pay him this summer and then have to pay Hutchinson next summer as well.

Well, I'd do that one in a heartbeat because that Broncos 1st rounder would allow us to then trade Bryce in the offseason and use their pick to replace him with one of the elite prospects in this upcoming draft as they'll be a Top 5 pick. But that's also why they won't trade their 1st away, they're already planning on replacing Wilson with it.