tukafan21

Because he's still young enough that if he plays well the next few years, he'll still get another monster contract after this next one. So a team would expect him to sign the new contract, now have no fear of being hurt and losing his big pay day, and him going out and playing loose and balling out with the hope of cashing in again in 3-4 years for a 2nd monster pay day. Luvu also wasn't expecting a stupid big contract, he was playing for a good deal, Burns knew he'd get one at some point, kinda very different situations. But yes, at this point, I'd much rather have Luvu at a much lower number, trade Burns for assets and use that money elsewhere at the same time

Aiyuk is my top choice, Higgins is second After that, I don't think Ridley or Pittman are leaving their current teams so I'm not going to bother speculating on them, Evans is staying in TB or signing with a top contender to chase another ring, and I'm a very hard pass on Hollywood Brown. Problem is both those teams will be trading those guys because they can't afford to sign them to long term extensions, and thus likely will be trading them for draft picks and not interested in Burns who they'd then have to give a big contract to (maybe the Bengals could make it work, but the 49ers sure as hell can't). So really what we need to do is find a team to trade Burns to for a 1st and some more on top, maybe like a 3rd and a 5th, and then try and trade that 1st for one of them, again, Aiyuk is my preference between the two. If we can't make that happen, we have to hope someone like Tyreek or Diggs in the past few years becomes available unexpectedly and maybe we can trade Burns for them. And no, I don't want Diggs right now, just a horrible fit for each side of that one, he wants to win and get force fed the ball down the field, we aren't going to win and Bryce isn't a good enough QB for him to want to play with.

THIS? dumbest sequence of trades and picks that THIS?!?!?! franchise has ever seen? THIS?!?!?! I think you meant to say "the NFL"

What's that? Having less people be able to see your asinine posts and thus less people with the ability to call them out for how non-logical the ideas are? Sure, guess that helps you not look as bad at this as you really are

I'm the one on repeat? All you do is keep throwing out the most unrealistic ideas, so I keep pointing out why they each aren't at all realistic possibility. You don't understand the NFL, at all, it's so painfully obvious and it makes this place worse off by having you posting on it, it makes the Panthers fan base look extremely ignorant (from a football standpoint, I don't mean to demean you as a person, just your knowledge of the NFL game).

It's not about accepting how you view building the team, it's that you don't look at things realistically. If you want to make your stupid suggestions for what moves we should make, feel free. Just please doing it in a way that takes into consideration the roster and salary cap implications, because it's painfully obvious to anyone who has seen your posts for the last year that you just don't understand those things. You don't live in reality when it comes to the Panthers, you keep saying how signing Jones would make us an elite defense, but ignore that signing him would almost assuredly mean we can't keep Luvu or Brown, and likely then also can't solve any WR problems. When after Brown and Jones, our 3rd best defensive player would be Horn who can't stay on the field and I honestly can't tell you who would be our 4th best player, that isn't an elite defense. In your head, we'd be adding Jones to this past season's defense, but in real life, there is a 0% chance of that happening, it would cost us at least 1 if not both of our other two good defensive players from this past season. And again, it's not just about adding elite players, it's about adding the right players at the right positions. We don't need another pass rushing DT, we need a 350 lbs run stuffing DT (assuming we keep the 3-4). I've also agreed that we need a new WR, but again, you throw out the most unrealistic scenarios, such as all season long you kept talking about how we have to throw the brinks truck at Higgins, despite it being SO OBVIOUS to anyone who knows football, that he was going to be tagged so they could trade him.

And this again is where you prove that you don't understand how building an NFL team works. If we were to sign Jones like you want, it's not just adding him to this years defense. If we were to sign Jones, odds are that means we aren't able to re-sign Luvu and most likely not able to keep Burns around as well, as he'd likely cost what the two of them would make combined. Do you still think adding Jones would make us the best defense in the league if you took those two off the team? We'd be a team with two elite DT's and nobody else even close to being good enough to make us a top defense, let alone THE top of the league. And yes, there would be ways of signing him while keeping them, but that would then mean even more cuts to other places, like Moton for example, which would only make our already poor OL even worse, and thus again, cutting off our nose to spite our face out of your NEED to get "elite" players regardless of age, position, fit, cap sense. You want to win RIGHT NOW... but the fact remains is that the Panthers will not be a winning team next year, no matter how bad you want it. RIGHT NOW is the time to properly build up the franchise, and you don't do that by signing a 30 year old DT to the biggest defensive contract in the game, not when your current best player is already a DT who needs his own contract extension.

I mean to be fair, he said that on stage while he was uber drunk and his agent immediately tweeted out that the bartenders need to cut those guys off LOL

I keep repeating myself because you keep putting out utterly moronic ideas about moves this team should make. You don't understand how real life NFL teams operate, you live in a fantasy/madden world and view real football through that lens. You were the person saying we were going to contend for a SB this season, instead we ended up with the literal worst team in the league. But keep telling me about how I don't understand things and you do, go on, keep saying it

Oh, and also, you like to say "continue to suck your way" and "hopefully your way works sooner than later" Well........ that's also dumb as there was literally only 1 move we made last year that was something I'd have done, they absolutely went about this NOT in "my way" by making bad moves and giving bad contracts to the wrong players. I said from the start that giving away a haul to move up in this draft was dumb, we still did it. Once we did it I said drafting Bryce given his physical limitations was dumb, we still did it. I said giving the contracts to Sanders, Chark, and Hurst were dumb, we still did it. I said letting Burns play on the franchise tag was dumb as he'd either explode and cost us more or play worse, kill his trade value, and still not be able to sign him long term, which is exactly what is happening. Literally the only move we made last offseason that I was happy with, was signing Thielen as I said he'd be a perfect safety valve for a rookie QB, which I couldn't have been more correct on. Complain about how where we are and past moves not working, because that's fair. But don't push for making more bad moves just because the previous bad moves didn't work out and you now want a quick fix instead of the multi year proper build up that we should have started a few years ago. Again, this is real life NFL vs Madden, they're not the same.

You still somehow continue to miss the point It's not about not trying to get good (or as you like to call them, elite) players, it's about being smart about which ones you go after and who you give big contracts to. When you're still at the starting line of a rebuild, giving a DT who will turn 30 before training camp starts a contract that will likely make him the highest paid DT in the league, when you already have a pro bowl DT who you need to re-sign this summer (or next at worst), is NOT the way to do it, no matter how much that player might improve your team. A pass rushing DT is literally the last thing this team needs right now, honestly I can't think of a position/specialty that we need less right now. WR, OL, TE, DE, OLB, CB, S are all positions that we need more than that right now, and again that's before even considering our bust at QB. You don't fix an NFL franchise over one offseason unless you have a ton of draft assets and cap space and hit home runs with all of it (like the Texans last year). If you're going to overspend on players at this point in a re-build, they need to be on players 27 years old, or preferably even younger, as they need to be players who will help expedite the re-build while also young enough to still be there once you're competitive, that's not Jones at this point in his career, he's got 2-4 years of elite play left.

You are correct, losers continue to make losing movies And a team in the current state of the Panthers roster/franchise, backing up the brinks truck and overpaying for Chris Jones.... is a losing move This team is not an interior pass rusher away from contention, in fact, with Brown already here, one could argue it's actually one of the last things we need. We need an edge pass rusher, not someone who mostly plays in the interior of the DL. On defense we need an edge rusher, another LB or two, some DB's, and a massive space eating DT if we're going to stick with the 3-4, not someone like Chris Jones. On offense we need a couple WRs, a better TE, some better OL, and maybe even a RB, and that's before even considering that we still need a long term QB as Bryce aint it. So yes, we need elite players, but not someone who plays like Chris Jones does. He literally plays the asme position as our only Pro Bowler from this past season, why would you then waste our cap room to sign someone at the same position with so many other glaring holes we have? This is yet again where I say you are just a Madden analyst, you just want all the best players, position and cap implications aside.

It's not about needing elite players, it's about going about rebuilding the franchise in a smart way. We already have a good defense that we can still add other pieces this offseason to improve it. Would adding Jones be a bigger improvement on anything else we can do? Of course, but this again is where you're looking at things in a vacuum and not the bigger picture, so your ideas are terrible for real life possibilities. We need to give Brown an extension, even if we wait a year, it has to happen. Paying $30+ million to another DT on top of Brown when we have so many other holes makes absolutely no sense. Also, if you're giving a contract of that size out to any player at our stage of re-build, they better be young enough that you are doing it with the expectation that they will be around for another contract after that, like Higgins or Aiyuk if we're able to trade for them. When you're in a re-build like we are, you give out big contracts to young players, big contracts to players of Jones' age are for when you think you're a few pieces away from legit contention. And just because Jones has made it clear he wants to be paid, it doesn't mean he's just going highest bidder, KC was just limited on a long term deal they could offer them because of their own cap issues. He'll probably sign with someone like the Texans, their SB window opens next year and is good for 2-4 years before any Stroud extension would kick in. They have a lot of impact players still on rookie deals, signing someone like Jones makes a lot of sense for both sides there.

NFL HOF isn’t like MLB where you have a hat on, players don’t go in as a member of any specific team

Jeudy is a far bigger bust as he’s stayed healthy and still puts up average stats At least Horn is borderline elite player when he’s able to be on the field

Heard it when I saw this the other day, he actually said something like “Looking forward to the opportunity to get to know you better” if I remember correctly. But I’d still love to see him join the franchise in a coaching role, he’d get players to run through a brick wall for him.

Diggs needs to both get volume targets and be on a winning team to be happy. He might get the targets here, but we won't be winning and that will cause huge problems with a player like him Just a real bad fit

Because there is about a .1% chance that the Bengals just let him walk in FA. They’re going to tag and trade him And hellllll noooooo on Chark coming back, what a bum

I still think the Bengals are a trade partner for TMJ, pair him back up with Burrow and Chase, might be the best way to get something out of him. Plus they are going to lose Higgins this offseason, so it makes sense that they might want to see if those two can rejuvenate his career. Burns + TMJ for Higgins and a 3rd would work for me

Yes, an elite pass rusher is needed to be competitive in today's NFL Yes, paying big money for that pass rusher is acceptable No, paying big money for a pass rusher who doesn't put up elite pass rushing stats/impact (not just sacks), when you're at the literal bottom of the rung of a re-build ladder isn't acceptable. If we didn't have such a garbage roster with a QB who is going to be out of the league within a few years, missing our 1st this year and our 2nd next year, then it might make more sense. But all things considered, paying Burns is just stupid as he'll be 30 and the contract will be up by the time this team has any real chance at contending, in the best case scenario. You trade him, get the picks, and use it to help re-build this roster, period.

I'd do the exact opposite and sign him to an extension this offseason, and no, that's not a joke. Sign him to a 2 or 3 year extension at around 8-10 million a year with it structured in a way that we can get out of it with minimal future dead cap hits. Horn should want to sign it as it would be far more than he could get as a free agent if he were to have another injury filled season. Panthers should want to sign it as it would limit the downside of the deal, but if he were to stay healthy, we'd have a bargain for a #1 corner. Really would be a win-win for both sides, and if he can prove he can stay healthy, we can then sign him to a bigger extension in 2 years. As he has no legit trade value for us right now to where whatever we'd get in return would help us more than he could. I think at best, we'd be looking at a 4th rounder for him, and that would be the absolute best case scenario right now.

This roster is too thin on talent to waste any picks on another QB right now. I don't think Bryce is the guy, but trying to draft his replacement in the middle rounds, the season after we drafted him, isn't the solution. Need to use those picks to fill in gaps and hopefully hit on a player or two, only way we are going to be able to replace Bryce is through a 1st round pick in the next year or two, or through FA when we give up on him.

Any best case scenario for the panthers next year is to finish in last place so we get the #1 pick to replace Bryce He’s not the guy

Evans is either re-signing in TB or going to an elite contender that needs a WR like KC 0% chance he comes here