tukafan21

This isn't a Hunter vs T-mac debate for our draft pick It's objectively looking at Hunter, what he does well, where he struggles, and projecting that at the next level. You get all butt hurt when someone says he isn't the #1 prospect and think saying he's #2 at his position and a Top 10 pick is an insult. And yes, T-Mac is 100% a better WR prospect than Hunter, literally not even a debate about that. If you want to debate Hunter as CB vs a WR in T-Mac, that's fair, but that's then position based.

I've used the comparison a bunch of times, but to me, Hunter is much more Reggie Bush than Charles Woodson. Bush was a legit generational college player, who's game didn't perfectly translate to the NFL, so he just never was going to be a true NFL star. Woodson was a generational college player for similar reasons to Hunter, but he also was just a legit true HOF shutdown corner. I think Hunter falls somewhere between them, but I think he's more of the collegiate freak than the sure fire NFL HOFer.

you're literally pointing to his HS ranking, his possible Heisman trophy, his stats, as the reasons he should be the top prospect. You can't say all that and then belittle someone pointing out how past college stat stuffers and heisman winners doesn't make someone a great NFL player.

Yep, nobody wants to give them/him any credit. We're saying he's a generational collegiate talent and the best player in the nation who is the 2nd best player at his possible positions and a Top 10 pick But nope, we refuse to give him any credit at all. His high school ranking should clearly factor over everything else. You know who else was the #1 rated player in High School, who won the Heisman trophy, and ended up as the #1 overall pick? Bryce Young

oh my god, wait a minute, are you telling me that the best player in college was drafted #1 overall almost 15 years ago? How did I miss that, you're right, the best player in college in any given year should be the #1 overall pick regardless of anyone else in the draft or how else their game translates to the NFL. Teams really screwed up by not taking The Golden Calf of Bristol #1 overall... or even someone like Eric Crouch. My god, how did Troy Smith fall to the 5th round after being the best player and winning the Heisman. You've cracked the code that NFL teams have somehow missed for all these decades, always take the best collegiate player first overall, you can't fail. Johnny Manziel would have been an NFL stud if he went #1 overall We got such a steal in the 4th round by getting Chris Weinke, can't believe the other teams in the league let that happen

Because he's not the best prospect in the draft, he's the best college player in the draft, and those are two entirely different things. Yes, if he focused on one side, his stats may have been better, but stats aren't what makes a player's prospects, it's their abilities and how they translate to the next level. I'm also not knocking him as a prospect, not like I'm saying he's a mid round pick, he's just probably the 2nd best CB and 3rd best WR, in what way is that throwing shade on him? It's literally saying he's a Top 10 pick, just not THE top prospect at his position(s). I really don't get why you think someone saying a player is the 2nd best player at one position and 2nd or 3rd best at another position is hating on them, it's crazy talk. Even in your defense of him here, you say a just asinine sentence, "he's the #1 rated prospect because he's actually elite at both positions" His ability at 2 positions has 0% bearing on his NFL prospects, as no team is going to use him full time both ways, he's either going to be a full time WR, or a mostly full time CB who gets 5 or so snaps a game on offense. So him playing both positions shouldn't factor into any team's draft evaluation of him, if a team is taking him over Johnson because of the few snaps he'd play on offense, they're choosing a player for the wrong reason. The only way I'm taking him over T-Mac is if it's a team that already has a true outside #1 and what they need is speed in the slot to compliment the outside guy (and btw, most teams don't have that, if anything, most would have the slot guy and need the true outside #1). Your need to constantly talk about stats is also just a red flag for your evaluations of players, as the college game is wild, stats don't mean near as much as you think. So many college offenses are built to put up monster stats, particularly against the weaker defenses in colleges, even if doing so exposes them to other issues, because in the end, the good can outweigh the bad in the college game in a way that doesn't happen in the NFL.

This is just a classic example of falling for the media hype and/or not seeing the difference between being a generational collegiate talent and actual translation to the NFL. Yes, Hunter is completely unique and there's never been anyone quite like him in college. But at the same time, he's literally not even the best WR or CB in the draft, that's T-Mac and Will Johnson. Just because someone is generational in college, it doesn't mean they are the best possible NFL prospect at any given position, they're two entirely different things. Yes, Hunter is a true elite CB prospect and a very very good WR prospect, but individually he's not even the best at either position and he's not going to be a full time 2 way player in the NFL either. Let someone else deal with the headache that will follow him, he's not even on my draft board, if it was him or trade the pick for someone else to get stuck with dealing with him, I'm trading that pick 100 times out of 100, even if it's just moving back 1 spot and adding a future 7th rounder to do so.

Tetairoa McMillan and then I couldn't care less about any other moves we make

best case outcome possible, that's what we want every game. Keep it competitive, show fight and improvement, but lose the game to help our draft position. Meaningless wins right now aren't going to help us win games in future seasons, but picking 5 spots higher in the draft 100% can. Go for the moral victories, not actual victories lol

Would love to see us sign him to say a 4 year extension structured in a way that pays him most of the money in the first two years with an out after the 2. It protects us to injuries or penalty issues, it gives him a lot of money, and it also gives him an ability to renegotiate in 2 years if he plays at a high level, and if he does, we'd be happy to pay it to him again.

But again, you can restock a defense through free agency much easier than offensive skill positions. Spend all our cap space on defense, take a true elite prospect who also happens to fit a position of need in T-Mac, and then use the rest of our picks on defense. Again, every season there’s a smattering of great DL, LB, and DB options in free agency, a Top 10 WR never hits free agency, ever. The only way you get one is through the draft or giving up 1st round picks in a trade for one. If he’s there when we’re on the clock, he has to be the pick, he’s just that good.

making my head spin at how much you're all over T-Mac now lol

If anything he’s being undervalued If he played for a big time program that was in the playoff hunt, he’d be viewed as a generational talent, but being on an awful Arizona team, he’s being g overlooked by most people. Best offensive player in the draft regardless of position

And great defensive players are ALWAYS available in free agency, because teams usually prioritize getting their QB and WRs locked up and never hit the open market Use our cap space 100% on defense, get a few impact players that way, and then you draft T-Mac, the best player in this draft. You will never find a player like him hit open free agency, it’s the only way to get a true stud outside #1 WR. Dont over think it Draft Tetairoa McMillan no matter what

I do kinda still feel he's destined to go to NE as well, but really only because two of the best Wildcats of all time are also Patriots legends in Gronkowski and Bruschi (plus he's a fit there). If they're picking ahead of us, I'm hoping they strike out on a LT in free agency, as if they do, they need to protect Maye, that's probably more important for them right now than getting him a WR. And I still think a defensive pick makes sense with their HC being a former defensive player and them using their 1st on a QB last year. Two straight Top 5 picks on offense for a defensive HC in his first 2 seasons just seems unlikely as well.

Been trying to speak this into existence since last November And while the other player I was talking about in that thread didn't become Tank Dell this year like I said, I also said it depended on him going to a team that needed to use him, which didn't happen. As he ended up getting drafted by the 49ers who have a deep WR room and took a WR in the 1st as well, but he still made the team and is their starting punt returner.

I've been saying it for a week or two, that all those teams picking ahead of us when we were sitting 9th in the draft all had games against each other still. As long as we don't have an unexpected upset, it all comes down to the Dallas game. Lose to Dallas and we're picking 4th at the very worst, real possibility of anywhere in the Top 4, even 1st. Beat Dallas but lose out besides that and I still think we end up picking Top 5 in the end as well.

And the Jags still play the Titans twice, Jets, and Raiders... they're winning at least one of those If we lose out, we're picking 4th at worst, which in reality, would be like picking the 2nd non QB if the Raiders and Giants are picking before us as they're both going QB. Draft Tetairoa McMillan no matter what!

Yep, quoting my own post, because like I said, the teams that were ahead of us in the draft when people were freaking out all had a lot of winnable games left. Already jumped to 5th in the draft right now, while the Jags still play the Titans twice, the Jets, and Raiders, so you gotta think they end up wining at least one more game themselves too. We need 6 more games like today, stay competitive, but lose. Work on our young players improving while getting some moral victories but give us that Top 5 pick to get my guy T-Mac LFG!!!!

Like I've said, regardless of Bryce, we still don't have a #1 WR, XL's upside is a very good #2 on a good team. Hunter and Burden are both slot WRs at the next level, not true outside #1's T-Mac is the pick no matter what, he is exactly what this team needs and would give us a potentially elite pass catching group in a few years with T-Mac, XL, Coker, and Sanders.

I'm still not touching Hunter He again said the other day that he plans on playing both sides of the ball in the NFL. If he is allowed to do that, he won't be as good on either side as his potential and he's going to have serious injury issues and have a short career. If he's not allowed to do it, I think he's going to become a problem when the team isn't winning as he's going to feel him not being used on both sides of the ball is why. He's being coddled in that environment with Deion and I think it's doing a disservice to him to prepare him for life in the NFL where your coach isn't a 2nd father to you, to where you can just walk into his locker room and steal his shoes like Hunter does to Deion.

oh PLEASE let him get hired as a HC somewhere I just won't those draft picks, we badly need them and getting an extra 3rd rounder two years in a row would be HUGE for our franchise. Also knowing we'd have them could allow us to trade other picks of our own this year to move up if needed. If he got hired somewhere, I'd have no issue giving up our 4ths the next couple years as kickers in trade ups as the comp 3rd picks would be before those picks anyways.

I put it out there earlier in this thread, the teams ahead of us in the draft had a lot of games against each other while our only realistic winnable game left (outside of an unexpected upset) is Dallas. The Titans and Jags still have to play each other twice for example too. Cleveland winning last night was huge, especially as they have a tougher schedule than us, so if we both now lose out, we'll get the higher pick due to the easier SOS.