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The problem is that I'm not okay with giving up 2023 draft picks to get back into the draft today. Trade Robby? 100% on board with it, but I don't think anyone is giving us a 3rd round pick today in exchange for Robby, not a chance. If anything, maybe give up a 2024 pick 3rd rounder if it can get us into the 3rd round today, but I doubt anyone is doing that either. If we trade back into today, odds are we'll have to give up something that is too much for us to give up seeing as we are more than likely to have a decent draft slot next season as of right now (I think Baker could put us middle of the pack, but even then, I'd rather have the middle of the round picks than a 3rd rounder this year).

The fact that nobody traded back into the first round to take Willis and get the 5th year option with him is a MAJOR red flag to me. Especially for someone like him who is known to be a developmental prospect, that 5th year becomes huge if he doesn't play his first year or two. So when there seemed to be a trade every other pick towards the end of the first round, and none of them were for someone to jump back into the first to grab him, says a lot about what the teams actually think about him compared to the media "experts" out there.

Just do whatever it takes to make sure he's not on the roster come training camp. He's just not that good, and his mouth is really getting old, he needs to be exponentially better for a team to want to put up with his talking.

I'll take 13, their 2023 1st, and a 3rd rounder this year for the 6th and say a 5th or 6th next year Then hope one of the top 3 LT's falls to 13 and if not, take Penning. Anything short of that, stay at 6 and take the best LT on our board, I'm good with all 3 of them.

Beyond furious There isn't a QB worth taking at 6 and there are 3 LT's worth taking there with at least one of them, if not multiple, likely to be there when we're on the clock. Next to QB, having an elite LT can be the biggest difference maker a team can have. I don't want a vet, I don't want Becton who can't stay healthy, give me a rookie who can be our starter at LT for the next 10-12 years. The only other acceptable decision to me is to trade down to the 12-14 range to pick up additional picks and still come away with Penning, anything else and I'll be the most disappointed I've been with our first round pick in a long, long time.

What a terrible trade by the Saints LOL Giving up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, to get an extra first this year and move back one draft spot with their other pick. That's a trade you make the day of the draft when there is a specific player there that could put you over the top on a SB run, they aren't in that position, not even close.

If we can get Watson and not give up any players, I'm all for that at almost any cost... want our next 5 first rounders? Take them But I just can't get on board with 3 first rounders plus two of our best young defensive players, losing the combination of all that would decimate our ability to build a competitive team around Watson, particularly the defense. But if we can keep say Chinn and Horn and give them 2 way future first rounders instead... COUNT ME IN... as by that time, those should be more like early second round picks anyways.

Oh please be the case And while we have a solid defense, we wouldn't after giving up those players to get him and still not being able to afford guys like Gilmore or Reddick to be re-signed.

No, we don't need to draft a QB Just because we need one, doesn't mean we have to get one this year when they aren't the right QB at the draft position. Taking a QB now just because we're in need of one, is more likely to set us back another 5 years than help propel us to be contenders. Make the smart decision with an OT, spend wisely on FA, take our lumps this year, and make a run at a QB next year when we get back our full set of draft picks and possibly have a high pick of our own in the first as well. Just look at all the teams that have tried to reach for a QB to fix the need when the player really shouldn't have been taken there, it doesn't work out and they're put into the vicious cycle that we're in now, where you try to fill that position every season and reach every time to do it (whether in the draft or through FA/Trade). Point blank.... we're not contenders this year no matter what QB we get, and there isn't an elite QB option for the 6th pick in the draft. So don't make a mistake, build the smart way, not the desperate way.

I'm petrified that we're going to do something stupid and give up multiple Firsts, plus other picks, and a player or two, for Watson. We're not a contender if you add Watson right now, especially when it takes away our firsts for a few years and current starters. It would reek of desperation and only backfire on us, we have far too many holes to fill, start to do that this year and draft a new QB next year in a better draft class.

And this is exactly why I don't have any interest in trying to trade for Watson, if Wilson got this, Watson is even more. And we're not a QB away from competing for a SB like the Broncos are, especially if we have to give away multiple years worth of firsts and seconds, as well as a couple starters. Would love to have a QB of his caliber, but not for what the cost will be, would be the same situation we had with Cam for years, great QB, but no OL or weapons around him because of lack of draft picks and cap room. Hard pass

Left FREAKING Tackle nothing else is acceptable, love Horn’s future but it should have been Slater last year.

Kamara and Ruggs both in Vegas jails... Paul Crewe has got a solid start to his new squad

I'm torn on Flores He's clearly a good coach, he had back to back winning seasons with the Dolphins. However, he got fired because he couldn't get along with his QB or GM. That to me is a bit of a red flag, if you have a good thing going and you're willing to get rid of the coach because of those issues, they must have been pretty bad. Sure, maybe the GM is at fault there, but Too seems like a good guy, I doubt the issues between them were on his end.

I don't care the cost, we HAVE to keep Gilmore, no matter what, even if it means losing a young good player or missing out on a good FA because the money went to Gilmore. Horn has all-pro potential and the two are already friends and have known each other for years with them both being Gamecocks. Even if it's a one year deal for stupid money, keeping Gilmore to mentor Horn on the field and not just in the film room as he's likely done this year is what is best for Horn's long term future. If we want to maximize his potential, you do it by keeping a friend of his who just so happens to be one of the best CB's the league has seen in the past couple decades so he can mentor him. It might cost us other players, and thus cost us wins in 2022, but I don't care, it will pay off in the future when Horn is a consistent All Pro corner.

If Tepper is smart.... either the Monday morning after week 16 or not at all. At this point, we're obviously bringing him back next year, which means he either completely turns it around and thus won't be fired... but if he doesn't... I see ZERO value in firing him at any point until the Monday morning after Week 16, and here's why....... If he's getting fired next year, it's because we had a terrible year and will be in line for a top draft pick. For whatever reason, when a HC gets fired, it usually rallies a team together, especially since the interim HC usually isn't one of the DC or OC, but another coach on the staff who is well liked by the players and so the players tend to care a little more in those first few weeks to play hard for the coach they like. So if we're having a bad enough season to where he's getting fired, I don't want them to do it mid-season where we could rally around the interim coach, win a handful of games, and thus hurt our draft position late in the season. And with the new rules about being able to interview other team's coaches during the last 2 weeks of the regular season, doing it the Monday after Week 16 lets them start interviewing coaches immediately and limits the number of games the team might rally together and pick up some wins to hurt draft positioning.

Burns, Chinn, and Horn, not trading them at all and wouldn't even consider it, particularly with Chinn and Horn due to their rookie deals

The 5th, 6th, and 10th worst teams in the league last year made the playoffs this year I don't think this roster is all that far off from competing for a playoff spot, I'm not a Darnold fan at this point, I don't think he's the type who can lead us to the SB. But if you upgrade the OL, particularly with the 6th pick, and CMC can stay healthy, I do think this is a roster that is built to compete for a wild card spot. Now, can Rhule coach that team to get there? I think that's the bigger question, but I don't think it's all that crazy to think this could be a playoff team next year. Don't forget, we basically will have two first round draft picks this year in a sense too, as getting Horn back is basically like adding a second first rounder to the squad.

Am I the only person who actually likes bringing PJ back? I actually think he is the exact type of player we want as our 3rd/practice squad QB. He never should dress or step onto the field unless it's a real emergency situation, but I think his skill set is kinda exactly what you want from a scout team QB with how many running QBs are out there in the NFL right now. We want someone like him for the defense to prepare each week against. Sure, we might be able to find someone better to play that role, but I'm sure he was signed to a minimum contract and could just get cut in Camp. But I think he's just fine to have on the 90 man squad on a minimum contract for Camp and possible practice squad during the season. I highly doubt the intent is to have him be the backup next year, he's a camp body and/or practice squad

Oh I think it's a terrible idea to have him as just the straight up backup QB for this reason. But I think Sam is smart enough to realize what Cam could do to help this team in the way I've laid out here to where it wouldn't concern him as Cam wouldn't just be the backup ready to go out there, he'd have an entirely different role

Please god no, last thing I want is a Watson trade. Sure, I'd love for him to be our QB, him and CMC would be a dangerous combo in the backfield. But the cost is just FAR too high, it would cost us our first rounder this year and likely the next 2 years, and still possibly more on top. We need to use that first rounder on an OT this year, and without our 2nd or 3rd rounders this year, I'm not on board for giving up 3 first rounders for a QB on a huge contract, hard pass.

See, I don't think that would be the case in this situation. If he's here to be on the field for 20 snaps a game in a variety of positions, I don't think a Darnold INT will have people clamoring for Cam to be the starter again, particularly if it's working out with Cam in this role. I think we all know Cam, at this point, just isn't an elite starting QB that can carry a team to the SB, I love the guy, but he's not that anymore. Which is why I think he'd do really well in this position, give him 20 snaps a game, with probably 15 of them lined up at a position other than QB, 5 he's a decoy, 5 times he throws it, 10 times he runs it. He'll be very successful in that role, so much so that I don't think people would be yelling for him to become the QB if Darnold throws a pick.

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I think that's why you sell him on this idea, pitch it as a 1 year deal to be our backup QB if Darnold gets hurt, but when healthy, Cam still gets 20 snaps a game. Worst case scenario for him, he proves his value as this do-everything player and a contender signs him to do that for them next year for a ton of money. You pitch him on what this offense could be, particularly if CMC stays healthy and we draft an elite LT, as those two things change EVERYTHING. I think we'll have a very good defense next year, we'll get Horn back, and I think a big reason for the fall off in the second half of the season was less about the defense as much as the offense just being terrible and putting the defense in bad situations and being on the field for too much time. We've seen how effective that can be with Hill, except Cam is bigger, stronger, a better runner, and a better passer, I think it would be perfect.

As a gadget player getting 15-20 snaps a game (think Taysom Hill)... honestly at this point, that's where he can do the most damage in the league, how do you stop someone with his size and athleticism who could always pull up and pass it at any moment? Draft a LT with the 6th pick, spend money in FA on some guards and/or a center, and bring back Gilmore to be a mentor for Horn. Use CMC in a Deebo type of role, give him maybe 10 carries a game, but have him mostly lined up in the slot. Just imagine rolling out there with DJ out wide to the left, Robby out wide to the right, CMC lined up in the slot to the left, with Cam and Hubbard in the backfield with Cam on the side of the field as CMC. You motion Hubbard out of the backfield and line him up behind CMC and pitch the ball out wide to Cam to now have the ball in space. You have two of the better route runners in the league in DJ and CMC out there running two routes, CMC short and DJ mid range and you have Robby running a go route on the far side of the field, with Hubbard now acting as a lead blocker in front of Cam (or maybe this should be Tommy). How do you defend that situation? Cam could run the ball with 3 blockers out in front of him and in space, but you also have to respect DJ and CMC out there as he could easily throw to one of them for an easy 10-15 yard gain, and if Robby beats his man, Cam has the arm to get it to him deep. It really is a lose-lose situation for the defense there, you have to pick your poison, but if Cam makes smart decisions, I don't see how that can be beat over the course of a full game if designed and executed properly. The NFL is starting to act like the NBA where there are position-less players, you put Cam, CMC, and DJ out there on the field at once with Cam as a utility player and not a straight QB, I think defenses will struggle immensely to defend that.