tukafan21

And this again is where you prove that you don't understand how building an NFL team works. If we were to sign Jones like you want, it's not just adding him to this years defense. If we were to sign Jones, odds are that means we aren't able to re-sign Luvu and most likely not able to keep Burns around as well, as he'd likely cost what the two of them would make combined. Do you still think adding Jones would make us the best defense in the league if you took those two off the team? We'd be a team with two elite DT's and nobody else even close to being good enough to make us a top defense, let alone THE top of the league. And yes, there would be ways of signing him while keeping them, but that would then mean even more cuts to other places, like Moton for example, which would only make our already poor OL even worse, and thus again, cutting off our nose to spite our face out of your NEED to get "elite" players regardless of age, position, fit, cap sense. You want to win RIGHT NOW... but the fact remains is that the Panthers will not be a winning team next year, no matter how bad you want it. RIGHT NOW is the time to properly build up the franchise, and you don't do that by signing a 30 year old DT to the biggest defensive contract in the game, not when your current best player is already a DT who needs his own contract extension.

I mean to be fair, he said that on stage while he was uber drunk and his agent immediately tweeted out that the bartenders need to cut those guys off LOL

I keep repeating myself because you keep putting out utterly moronic ideas about moves this team should make. You don't understand how real life NFL teams operate, you live in a fantasy/madden world and view real football through that lens. You were the person saying we were going to contend for a SB this season, instead we ended up with the literal worst team in the league. But keep telling me about how I don't understand things and you do, go on, keep saying it

Oh, and also, you like to say "continue to suck your way" and "hopefully your way works sooner than later" Well........ that's also dumb as there was literally only 1 move we made last year that was something I'd have done, they absolutely went about this NOT in "my way" by making bad moves and giving bad contracts to the wrong players. I said from the start that giving away a haul to move up in this draft was dumb, we still did it. Once we did it I said drafting Bryce given his physical limitations was dumb, we still did it. I said giving the contracts to Sanders, Chark, and Hurst were dumb, we still did it. I said letting Burns play on the franchise tag was dumb as he'd either explode and cost us more or play worse, kill his trade value, and still not be able to sign him long term, which is exactly what is happening. Literally the only move we made last offseason that I was happy with, was signing Thielen as I said he'd be a perfect safety valve for a rookie QB, which I couldn't have been more correct on. Complain about how where we are and past moves not working, because that's fair. But don't push for making more bad moves just because the previous bad moves didn't work out and you now want a quick fix instead of the multi year proper build up that we should have started a few years ago. Again, this is real life NFL vs Madden, they're not the same.

You still somehow continue to miss the point It's not about not trying to get good (or as you like to call them, elite) players, it's about being smart about which ones you go after and who you give big contracts to. When you're still at the starting line of a rebuild, giving a DT who will turn 30 before training camp starts a contract that will likely make him the highest paid DT in the league, when you already have a pro bowl DT who you need to re-sign this summer (or next at worst), is NOT the way to do it, no matter how much that player might improve your team. A pass rushing DT is literally the last thing this team needs right now, honestly I can't think of a position/specialty that we need less right now. WR, OL, TE, DE, OLB, CB, S are all positions that we need more than that right now, and again that's before even considering our bust at QB. You don't fix an NFL franchise over one offseason unless you have a ton of draft assets and cap space and hit home runs with all of it (like the Texans last year). If you're going to overspend on players at this point in a re-build, they need to be on players 27 years old, or preferably even younger, as they need to be players who will help expedite the re-build while also young enough to still be there once you're competitive, that's not Jones at this point in his career, he's got 2-4 years of elite play left.

You are correct, losers continue to make losing movies And a team in the current state of the Panthers roster/franchise, backing up the brinks truck and overpaying for Chris Jones.... is a losing move This team is not an interior pass rusher away from contention, in fact, with Brown already here, one could argue it's actually one of the last things we need. We need an edge pass rusher, not someone who mostly plays in the interior of the DL. On defense we need an edge rusher, another LB or two, some DB's, and a massive space eating DT if we're going to stick with the 3-4, not someone like Chris Jones. On offense we need a couple WRs, a better TE, some better OL, and maybe even a RB, and that's before even considering that we still need a long term QB as Bryce aint it. So yes, we need elite players, but not someone who plays like Chris Jones does. He literally plays the asme position as our only Pro Bowler from this past season, why would you then waste our cap room to sign someone at the same position with so many other glaring holes we have? This is yet again where I say you are just a Madden analyst, you just want all the best players, position and cap implications aside.

It's not about needing elite players, it's about going about rebuilding the franchise in a smart way. We already have a good defense that we can still add other pieces this offseason to improve it. Would adding Jones be a bigger improvement on anything else we can do? Of course, but this again is where you're looking at things in a vacuum and not the bigger picture, so your ideas are terrible for real life possibilities. We need to give Brown an extension, even if we wait a year, it has to happen. Paying $30+ million to another DT on top of Brown when we have so many other holes makes absolutely no sense. Also, if you're giving a contract of that size out to any player at our stage of re-build, they better be young enough that you are doing it with the expectation that they will be around for another contract after that, like Higgins or Aiyuk if we're able to trade for them. When you're in a re-build like we are, you give out big contracts to young players, big contracts to players of Jones' age are for when you think you're a few pieces away from legit contention. And just because Jones has made it clear he wants to be paid, it doesn't mean he's just going highest bidder, KC was just limited on a long term deal they could offer them because of their own cap issues. He'll probably sign with someone like the Texans, their SB window opens next year and is good for 2-4 years before any Stroud extension would kick in. They have a lot of impact players still on rookie deals, signing someone like Jones makes a lot of sense for both sides there.

NFL HOF isn’t like MLB where you have a hat on, players don’t go in as a member of any specific team

Jeudy is a far bigger bust as he’s stayed healthy and still puts up average stats At least Horn is borderline elite player when he’s able to be on the field

Heard it when I saw this the other day, he actually said something like “Looking forward to the opportunity to get to know you better” if I remember correctly. But I’d still love to see him join the franchise in a coaching role, he’d get players to run through a brick wall for him.

Diggs needs to both get volume targets and be on a winning team to be happy. He might get the targets here, but we won't be winning and that will cause huge problems with a player like him Just a real bad fit

Because there is about a .1% chance that the Bengals just let him walk in FA. They’re going to tag and trade him And hellllll noooooo on Chark coming back, what a bum

I still think the Bengals are a trade partner for TMJ, pair him back up with Burrow and Chase, might be the best way to get something out of him. Plus they are going to lose Higgins this offseason, so it makes sense that they might want to see if those two can rejuvenate his career. Burns + TMJ for Higgins and a 3rd would work for me

Yes, an elite pass rusher is needed to be competitive in today's NFL Yes, paying big money for that pass rusher is acceptable No, paying big money for a pass rusher who doesn't put up elite pass rushing stats/impact (not just sacks), when you're at the literal bottom of the rung of a re-build ladder isn't acceptable. If we didn't have such a garbage roster with a QB who is going to be out of the league within a few years, missing our 1st this year and our 2nd next year, then it might make more sense. But all things considered, paying Burns is just stupid as he'll be 30 and the contract will be up by the time this team has any real chance at contending, in the best case scenario. You trade him, get the picks, and use it to help re-build this roster, period.

I'd do the exact opposite and sign him to an extension this offseason, and no, that's not a joke. Sign him to a 2 or 3 year extension at around 8-10 million a year with it structured in a way that we can get out of it with minimal future dead cap hits. Horn should want to sign it as it would be far more than he could get as a free agent if he were to have another injury filled season. Panthers should want to sign it as it would limit the downside of the deal, but if he were to stay healthy, we'd have a bargain for a #1 corner. Really would be a win-win for both sides, and if he can prove he can stay healthy, we can then sign him to a bigger extension in 2 years. As he has no legit trade value for us right now to where whatever we'd get in return would help us more than he could. I think at best, we'd be looking at a 4th rounder for him, and that would be the absolute best case scenario right now.

This roster is too thin on talent to waste any picks on another QB right now. I don't think Bryce is the guy, but trying to draft his replacement in the middle rounds, the season after we drafted him, isn't the solution. Need to use those picks to fill in gaps and hopefully hit on a player or two, only way we are going to be able to replace Bryce is through a 1st round pick in the next year or two, or through FA when we give up on him.

Any best case scenario for the panthers next year is to finish in last place so we get the #1 pick to replace Bryce He’s not the guy

Evans is either re-signing in TB or going to an elite contender that needs a WR like KC 0% chance he comes here

I'd bet good money that Aiyuk isn't on the 49ers next year No, they don't/won't want to move him, but they just can't afford to re-sign him, they have too many huge contracts that they won't be able to afford a second big WR contract. He's widely been discussed as a trade target for WR needy teams this offseason because of that. So unless they decide they don't need both CMC and Deebo and want to trade Deebo instead (as I do think there is some overlap there between them and maybe Aiyuk/CMC is a better combo for varying skill set), I 100% believe Aiyuk will be traded before next season.

Unless they cut Lockett and we can get him on a severe discount, I have no interest in Lockett. He'll turn 32 early into next season where DK just turned 26 in December. I think JSN was drafted to replace DK long term so they don't need to give him another big deal, as they'd need to do that next offseason. Tag and trade Burns for DK and then give him a new 4 year contract extension And if we can't/won't do this, I still think we need to try and find a way to trade for Aiyuk, although that could be more difficult as I think the 49ers are going to want draft picks in return, not someone they have to give a big contract to, as that's why they'll need to trade Aiyuk anyways, too many big contracts on their books and won't be able to afford to re-sign him long term.

I don't think Seattle wants to give DK another big contract next offseason, have to think he has some sort of relationship with Canales. I'd look into a trade of Burns for DK if I were Morgan (assuming him and Canales have a good relationship of course)

Vrabel can be for us, what Dan Campbell was supposed to be for the Lions. It's worked out far better than they ever imagined with Campbell, but in reality, the fans didn't expect him to be their longtime HC when he was hired. He was essentially brought in to change the culture in the franchise, set them on the right path for once, and then they'd find their hopeful longterm solution at some point in the future. Sure, would be nice if we could find that long term guy right now, but we need to flip this franchise around from the ground up, and a guy like Vrabel knows what well run franchises look like and would get the players to buy in.

Or... any good candidates left decide to pull a Ben Johnson from last year and just hold firm and look to next offseason to take a HC job Which is a legitimate fear of mine with Johnson himself. If/when they lose to the 49ers this weekend, unless he's utterly enamored with the thought of either having the #2 pick with Washington or coming home to Carolina, I could see him going back to try and get the Lions over the hump and to a SB. He bet on himself this year and did absolutely nothing to hurt his HC chances, really only made himself look better, and at his age, he doesn't need to just take an HC job when it's offered because it won't be there again.

And if that happens, I'll happily "settle" for Vrabel (although him going to Seattle also just makes sense, feels like the right culture fit there)