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I'm just talking about how they played the game. I don't really care about the size part of it. Otherwise you limit the comps you can make. I mean even look at the player you mentioned - Brees. Him and Garcia were the same size and yet Garcia played way different. And one of Garcia's problems was his weak arm (like Bryce's). And for his time, Garcia was pretty small. Not Bryce or Flutie small, but still far from a big guy. Just on a quick google search, a lot of people say Doug Flutie had a pretty strong arm. That alone makes it hard for me to compare him to Bryce.

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Jeff Garcia OBVIOUSLY Garcia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryce. But I thought coming out of Alabama, that was the best comp for Bryce. I can't really speak on Doug Flutie because I haven't seen much of him.

Good, quality thread. Not enough people are talking about this.

I mean, he's a professional athlete. What you think as a fan vs what he should think as a player are completely different. Being bad doesn't mean you should lack confidence in yourself, and really that is true in all forms of life. Do everything you want to do with confidence. Justin Fields sucks, but does he ever play like someone who doesn't believe in his own abilities? Obviously you need more than confidence to be a high-level NFL player, and Bryce will never be that. But he could still create 2-3 extra plays a game if he allowed himself to play more "free" like he did in the second half of last season. The fact he refuses to use his legs to pick up yards nowadays hurts this team. Simple things like that would go a long way for us, even if not for him.

The main issue is Bryce Young. Not the only issue, but certainly the one who has played the biggest role in our lack of a vertical pass game. What is frustrating is that while I don't think he will ever be an Allen or Mahomes in that department, obviously, he is more capable than what he's shown (which isn't saying a whole lot). But he refuses to play like someone who trusts themselves. While he is better than he was as a rookie, the best he's ever looked IMO was the second half of last year. And I would say it all the time in the GameDay Threads - he had a confidence to him, a freedom to his play-style, that was so clearly playing a role in his improved play. But this year he is back to playing so rigid. Case in point: how has he not eclipsed 10 rushing yards since Week 1? He averaged 26 rushing yards over his last 8 games last year. That might not seem like a lot, but it matters and it is reflective to how freely he was willing to play last year. It is even more obvious when you see it in person. He doesn't trust his instincts. No doubt there are physical limitations at play, but I think that is one thing he really lacks. Trust in himself.

Choose whatever stats across whatever amount of time you want. The difference is still almost negligible. Yes, Lawrence > Bryce. But Lawrence still sucks.

But those teams traded Darnold and Baker. Sure, Panthers could trade Bryce Young, and that would be a smart option if they can find a willing partner. But outright cutting him isn't going to happen, and I can't see the Panthers trading him without a solid plan in place. Jets traded Darnold because they got Zach Wilson. Browns traded Baker because they got Watson. Who are we bringing in that would incentive us to trade Bryce? We won't be in a position to draft a guy as highly as the Jets did Wilson and while things in this league change fast, I can't imagine any QB that was as highly touted as Watson was at the time (on the field) requesting a trade in the offseason. LIS anything could happen. Maybe Stafford is done with LA and we can get him on the cheap. Maybe the Colts don't lock up Daniel Jones and we bring him in. Maybe Rodgers sticks around for one more year and comes here. Maybe we get lucky and one of the top QB prospects falls to us. But right now it doesn't feel like a situation where Bryce is likely to get traded. I would bet a lot of money he's on the team next year in some capacity, even if that means negotiating a higher-paying one-year deal to stop him from holding out.

You think so? I feel I have been steadfast that I think Bryce Young is a bad QB. He sucks. But so has Lawrence for the last two seasons. Quite frankly I don't know how you can call him a mid-tier QB. Off the top of my head, who are you saying he is better than right now? In no order: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow Prescott, Goff, Love, Stafford Hurts, healthy Purdy, Darnold, Baker Healthy Jayden Daniels, Maye, Herbert, Jones Stroud, Nix, Caleb Williams, Rodgers That's 19 QBs right there. Maybe you take him over Jones in the grand scheme of things? But certainly not this year. Heck are we taking him over Kyler Murray? That would be 20 right there. And who says someone like Jaxon Dart isn't already on the same level? I'll hesitate on calling Dart better overall because he needs more games under his belt, but would you disagree that Dart has outplayed T-Law this year? That would make it 21 QBs outplaying him this year.

Trevor Lawrence 2025 - 59.7 CMP%, 9 TDs (3.1%), 6 INTs (2.0%), 6.3 Y/A, 79.7 QB Rating Trevor Lawrence 2024 - 60.6 CMP%, 11 TDs (3.9%), 7 INTs (2.5%), 7.2 Y/A, 85 QB Rating Bryce Young 2025 - 61.1 CMP%, 11 TDs (4.5%), 6 INTs (2.5%), 5.7 Y/A, 81.5 QB Rating Bryce Young 2024 - 60.9 CMP%, 15 TDs (3.9%), 9 INTs (2.3%), 6.3 Y/A, 82.2 QB Rating Both QBs have a huge fumbling problem so that is a wash. Is Lawrence better than Bryce? I would say so, yeah. But I don't think the gap is as big as you think it is. If Bryce is the 32nd best QB, Lawrence is what, 28th?

Maybe he wouldn't, but where is his leverage? Sure, he could sit out... but are we really losing out on much if he does? And there is only so long he could do that for. It would be in his best interest to have the best season he possibly could before free agency.

Sure, but Darnold started his career in New York and was under a huge spotlight from the beginning. Do you believe he would have faced the same criticism if he had started his career in Carolina or Jacksonville? Because I think one could argue that Trevor Lawrence hasn't faced nearly the fraction of the criticism he should have. The fact is QBs who are taken in the top 5, much less number one overall, tend to have a very long leash. This isn't exclusive to Bryce Young or even the NFL - it is true for every sport.

But where have you seen this? Link me the most recent media article or video where they referred to Bryce Young as an elite QB. If you can even link one, I will Cash App you some money. Should be free money for you. I'm good for it - just send me your Cash App or Venmo through messenger. I'll help you get started: https://www.google.com/search?q=bryce+young+elite&oq=bryce+young+elite&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yCAgCEAAYFhgeMggIAxAAGBYYHjIICAQQABgWGB4yCAgFEAAYFhgeMggIBhAAGBYYHjIICAcQABgWGB4yCAgIEAAYFhgeMggICRAAGBYYHtIBCDE1NjBqMGo0qAIBsAIB8QUeAO07uoPIQPEFHgDtO7qDyEA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 And why should I care how he was talked about before the draft? People are wrong about prospects every year. You are, I am, everyone. That means nothing. By this logic, every QB drafted in the top 5 has a "mythos" built around them.

Who is "they"? Who in the media still argues that Bryce Young could reach the levels that people thought he would before the draft? I mean, nobody is going to come outright and bash the kid. By all accounts he's a good dude and I think that is why you don't see the media come after him like they did Zach Wilson.