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The real issue is the fact that this thread had nothing to do with Bryce Young, and yet once again somehow, someway, someone found a way to talk about how bad he is again. It is just exhausting reading it over and over and over again, like we get it. Bryce sucks. And you can't even blame the "Bryce fanboys" because again, nobody had even talked about Bryce in this thread until that post. Can we not just sticky a "Bryce sucks" thread at the top of the forum?

You have to forgive him. He has to make sure all the Bryce Young fans know how bad he is.

I don't expect we will be good this year, but I would put a small bet on those odds. We play in the worst division in the NFL and the best QB in the division (Cousins) is coming off a torn Achilles. Patriots and Titans have to deal with tough divisions and good QBs. Broncos have Mahomes and Herbert in their division. So if you are a betting man and planned to put money on any of the bad teams going into the season, then the smart play very well could be the Panthers.

I think this defense will be a lot better than non-Panthers fans are expecting. Although that will require Horn staying healthy. I don't know how many wins I'm expecting. We're a young team, so even if we do show a lot of improvement, that could still mean only 5-6 wins.

I literally said in my other post that we still deserve criticism, so what are you talking about? Do you even know what my initial post was about? Never once did I say it was okay to draft a bust because other teams draft busts. Mods, feel free to put me in my place if I'm going too far. But it needs to be said. Some of you need to start reading posts in full instead of making it ALL about Bryce every single damn time. Ultimately my point was that drafting QBs is hard, and if it wasn't the Panthers mistake, it would have been another teams. Just like Trey Lance, just like Mac Jones, just like Blake Bortles, just like Blaine Gabbert,... I can go on and on. Yes, Panthers screwed up (assuming Bryce doesn't improve). Yes, we should be criticized. But it happens. The guy asked how it happens and I was just answering his question. That teams miss on QBs every year, because getting a QB is hard and teams will take every opportunity they can to get one. But I'm not about to sit and discuss this with someone who thinks Levis even had .001% chance of going ahead of Bryce. That tells me all I need to know. No reasonable person would even throw him in the discussion.

I like how everyone is so fixated over this one thing as opposed to my overall point, which is that drafting QBs is hard. You really think if Stroud went No. 1, the Texans weren't going to take Bryce? And if the Texans took Richardson, the Colts wouldn't have taken Young or traded it to someone who would? Some of ya'll really be acting ridiculous. Bryce was not dropping out of the top 3. And almost certainly would have went #2 to the Texans if the Panthers took Stroud. It really blows me that some of you are saying otherwise, when even the most glued-in Texans beat writer has said the Texans wanted Bryce. But I'm sure you know better than him.

Bruh, just stop. Levis was not going over Bryce lol. "Doubtful" come on now. No disrespect but that is just a foolish take even with you acknowledging how doubtful it was. Levis didn't even go in the 1st. Seriously, what are we doing here?

Okay. I don't care to argue about who the Texans preferred. My point still stands. Had the Panthers taken Stroud, Texans would have taken Young. Either way a team was going to make the "mistake" because drafting QBs is hard.

Regardless, Bryce Young would have fell no lower than 3rd overall. My overall point still stands. Teams miss on QBs all the team. Do we deserve criticism for that? Absolutely. However again the same mistake we made, another team (regardless of the team) would have made in the top 3. Because finding a QB is hard and teams overdraft QBs every year.

Because drafting is hard, especially at the QB position. The same "mistake" the Panthers made was the exact same "mistake" the Texans had every intention of making had they picked first overall.

I thought Bryce looked like mini-Mahomes at times last year. Passer rating can only tell you so much. Bryce made a lot of big plays that don't show up on the stat sheet.

Eh, you never know in the NFL. Teams turn it around quickly all the time. Look no further than the Texans. I'm not saying we'll do it. But you never know. Hell maybe we end up with the No. 1 pick in 2025 again and fleece a team like how the Bears did us.

You don't think Bryce Young is a good QB?

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But they did win.

That isn't because he wasn't trying to push the ball downfield. His receivers just sucked.

If you only look at measurables, Mingo and Legette might seem similar. But when you actually look at them and watch them play, they aren't close to the same. And this is coming from someone who is skeptical about Legette, although ultimately I believe he will work out. I've just always disagreed with the comparisons to Mingo. Mingo tests better than he plays/runs, whereas Legette plays/runs as well as he tests.

As bad as things were with the Panthers last year, we still had 4 other games outside of the 2 we won that we came very close to winning. Could throw the Falcons game in there too, it was tied going into the 4th. I'm not really sure what to expect this year. I don't think we'll make the playoffs. However, we play in a very weak division where no team has a standout QB. On paper, our OL should be good, and could be great if Ikem improves. That alone could help mask a lot of problems on offense. Should allow us to run the ball better. Even if Bryce doesn't improve, the OL should at the very least give him more time to make the easy throws underneath and let a guy like Legette work his magic after the catch. And I think this defense in a 2nd year with Evero should, at the very least, be in the top 16. I'm expecting our run defense to be as good as it has been in years. I think this team could push for 7-8 wins. But it could also finish with 2 wins again. That is just how the league works. Jets offense was miserable last year, and yet they still won 7 games. We won't really get a good feel of it until after the preseason, and even then, who knows.

He was so underrated. Between 2009-2011 he was one of the best CBs in football. It was such a bummer he got injured the next year and then retired. EDIT: I forgot we released him actually, but I'd guess the Panthers and Gamble had already discussed his intentions. Plus IIRC we needed to get under the cap and he had a big deal at the time. https://www.derp/2011/5/23/2185316/chris-gamble-the-unfairly-critiqued-panther This was from May 2011, showing his performance from 2010.

There's a part of me that wants to believe he just went on a bad run of unlucky injuries. He did play 13 games in 2022 before breaking his wrist and a hamstring injury can happen to just about anyone. But when it happens 3 seasons in a row, it is hard to have faith that nothing won't come up again this year.

Hey guys, did you know Bryce Young sucks? I think we need more discourse about it.

That's the same issue that tall QBs with bad footwork have. It isn't an issue of size. You could argue his lack of size makes it harder for him to compensate for bad footwork (for example, Cam Newton, whose footwork was atrocious especially early in his career but he made up for it because he was a great athlete) and I would agree with that. But the footwork itself isn't a size problem, in my opinion anyway

I'm still optimistic he can be a good QB. And that if he does fail, I don't think size is the #1 reason why. I'm not saying his small stature helps, but it isn't at the forefront of the issues he has a QB. One of the biggest improvements I would like to see is him being more decisive. Not just as a passer but as a runner. Maybe it was because he was shell-shocked by the midway point, but he took too long to make decisions such as when to escape from the pocket. His footwork also needs to be worked on. Neither of those are size issues. Those are issues QBs of all sizes have.

Yes, Bryce bad.

Minshew isn't good but he's way better than Pickett.