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Piece of crap Scott Fitterer

He'll make it. HOF is just tough on WRs. Look at how long Torry Holt has been waiting despite the numbers he put up.

“Zach Wilson isn’t a bad QB. He just isn’t as good as everyone else, but that doesn’t mean he can’t play football”

Bottom 5 means they aren’t good relative to the rest of the league. It is crazy we are even having to debate this. Compared to rest of league it is devoid of talent.

It is a simple question. If you can’t name 5 teams, then you agree then that the Panthers have a bottom-5 (at best) receiving core. Calling that group “talented” is then disingenuous. Because yes, being at the bottom in the league in a category means you aren’t talented enough in that category. Trying to spin it as anything else is just weird. Is the 32nd best QB still a good QB because not everyone can be the best?

Name 5 teams you would take our receiving group over.

Every player we have given away over the last year has backfired on us (Mayfield, Moore, McCaffrey). And yet this fanbase still wants to move on from Burns. Yeah let's continue to feed the rest of the teams in the NFL. It has worked out well for us so far.

Every team has a Hubbard or better at RB. The problem with Hubbard is he'll never make something out of nothing. At least not consistently. We don't need to invest a 1st or 2nd round pick at RB, or even a 3rd round pick. But it would be nice to have someone more explosive out of the backfield.

We didn't score a touchdown and we are going to finish with the worst record with no 1st round pick. I can see why a lot of people don't care all that much that we won.

yay

BRING BELICHICK TO CAROLINA

But they aren't a good team. And they clapped the Texans. Texans were already looking like a bad to mediocre team with Stroud. That's my point. Them looking even worse with a back-up QB is not a surprise.

The Texans got smacked by the Jets last week with Stroud.

Not watching this game, but heard on Redzone there have been 90 combined yards. YIKES

4th and 1, shotgun inside run LMAO

Was this our worst offseason ever? 2009 or 2010 would be the only ones I can think of that come close. 2009 because of the Delhomme contract and trading a future 1st to take Everette in the 2nd round. 2010 didn't have any moves as bad as the trade up for Bryce or Everette, but we did absolutely nothing and wasted a year of a lot of great players.

I don't know, man. This feels like the perfect situation for Belichick. We will pay him the most. We would give him the most control. We have 0 expectations, so if Belichick fails here, it won't reflect on him as poorly as it would if he failed with Herbert. We are a small market, means Belichick has to deal with less press than he would in Los Angeles or New York. I don't want Belichick. But it does make sense on his end.

Fox and Rivera is splitting hairs. They were about the same. The difference is one had a No. 1 overall pick at QB. At least our defenses with Fox were usually good though. You can't say the same about the defenses Rivera fielded here. 2019, 2018, 2016, 2014, 2011... all trash defenses. Even in 2015, how many big leads did we almost squander? But Fox also sunk this team by refusing to bench Jake Delhomme. The 2009 squad would have won 10+ games with Matt Moore. Hell I'd argue the 2008 Panthers would have benefited greatly if we accepted Delhomme was washed in the second-half of the season and had benched him. Fox, like Rivera, was just too damn loyal.

There are far more anti-Bryce threads created on this forum than positive-Bryce threads.

I've never believed at any point Scott Fitterer will stay in 2024. I think the Panthers will either let the HC pick the GM or the GM pick the HC.

Exactly. Panthers look so much better if they would have just relaxed and let things happen as they happen. Hell, Frank Reich would have been a good enough HC for us if we kept Darnold, McCaffrey, and Moore, and then used our 1st round pick in 2023 to help on the OL or elsewhere.

I'd do what should have been done from the get go. Full-on tank for 2024. I wouldn't make any major signings. Yeah, fill out your team, but don't sign anyone to a long-term deal. Don't waste money on a stopgap QB. Trade Burns for picks. Seriously, we just need to stand back. Don't do anything drastic. Hire your HC and tell him we aren't going to spend until 2025. Then that offseason you can really start making big moves. This is what should have been done when we moved on from Cam Newton. We should have just rolled with Kyle Allen and let him lead us to a top pick. Let's not make the same mistake twice. Accept your fate and just wait it out until 2025.

The NFL is in such a terrible state right now. So many back-up and bad QBs starting right nwo.

We traded away DJ Moore and Christian McCaffrey LMFAO

Please stay healthy Jaycee Horn.