Mage

Panthers are 100% trading down IMO. Think about it. Panthers could have easily beat this deal. We have the #8 overall pick. The fact that we didn't tells me: A) We are 100% comfortable waiting out the Deshaun Watson situation. And if we can somehow accumulate future picks if this lasts past the draft? Then so be it. But we clearly expect Watson to be available at some point. B) We didn't think, given the state of our team, it was worth trading up a lot for one of the rookies. And that is okay. Difference between trading for Watson and trading for the potential of Wilson/Lance/Fields. I get the frustration. But I think we need to relax. The coaches did a phenomenal job last year and at the end of the day, coaching always prevails. We will find our QB, it might not be this year but it will happen. You can take me to the bank on that too.

TRADE FOR DESHAUN!!!

I'm of the minority that is cool with rolling with Teddy for another year. It ain't like this will be the last chance to ever get a franchise QB. And while I think Teddy is bad, I could also see him overachieving with a 2nd year in the system

Zach Wilson is the real deal. I personally think he has an extremely high floor. He is gonna be a solid QB. The question for me is how great can he be. But I see a lot of Tony Romo in his game. A playmaker at the QB position who can make throws on nearly every platform. I think people are overthinking it with him. Yeah he played at BYU but focus less on that and focus just on the accuracy, the footwork, the arm strength, the mobility. Tight coverage is tight coverage and Wilson could needle it in there consistently. Jets would be fools to pass up on him, and I'd be ecstatic if we traded up for him. With that said I love Justin Fields too. Very similar to Deshaun Watson. I'd love them both, and I could see any of the big three (Wilson, Fields, Lawrence) being the best QB in the draft although Lawrence is obviously the safest bet. After that, count me out. Those are the only 3 guys worth taking in the 1st. Lance is just too raw. Jones' ceiling, I just don't know with him. I like him more than Lance though. Please for the love of all things holy do not draft Trey Lance in the 1st round. I'd rather stick with Teddy.

He can play both. He'll play a lot more DE though, assuming we're running 4-man fronts. And he'll play some DT on passing downs. If you want a solid comparison, do you remember Tyler Brayton? Think him. That is his prototype and that is the role he'll play. A strong-nosed DE who is an effective pass rusher, especially when you slide him inside. Brayton was so underrated during his time here. Very good player in 2008 and 2009 at what we asked him to do.

Burns (Fox) - Reed - Brown (Roy) - YGM Thompson - Perryman - Reddick (Miller) That is a strong, physical, very fast front-seven. Let's go get Reed!

He’s up there, my favorite is still Mike Mitchell though

I'm not saying Watson's career is over, but honestly, you would have to do a lot of mental gymnastics at this point to convince yourself that this many people are accusing Watson of inappropriate behavior and that he is innocent in all of them. We can safely assume for a fact that Watson reached out to all these women. We can safely assume for a fact none of these women knew each other. We can safely assume for a fact the Texans ownership is not going to commit career suicide just to "stick it" to Watson (by far, the most ludicrous theory out there). We can safely assume the lawyer is not knowingly accepting false information and submitting it to the police, knowing how easily that could backfire. We can safely assume the lawyer has not reached out to random masseuses and somehow convinced all of them to cobble together similar stories to accuse Watson. Yes, he has not been proven guilty yet. And I am sure Watson will deny all wrongdoing. But it is pretty clear that he has, to whatever extent, been involved in some creepy as hell behavior. I've been one of the biggest supporters of getting him at all costs but at this point I would not touch him with a 90-foot pole. Especially when you consider that it is possible none of this started out of the blue in 2020, and one day we could hear more stories if people start to speak up. And I know what people will say. "Innocent until proven guilty," "we don't know anything yet," "sleazy lawyer," but I'm telling you... the odds of 12+ different women with no connection to each other all having very similar stories and all of them being lies is just extremely, extremely unlikely. With that said, like I said, I don't know what this means for Watson's future. Rich males win cases all the time. He could escape this without much more than an NFL suspension and a team still might trade for him. I ain't gonna pretend like I would stop being a Panthers fan if we traded for Watson, but it would be very uncomfortable rooting for him.

Shaq has an 18m cap hit in 2023 LOL

Man, I think you are overrating the heck out of Teddy. He's absolutely capable of taking a team to the #1 overall pick Tyrod-style. Hell, he played at that level last year with his conservativeness and timid play in the clutch. In our 4 wins with him, we averaged 23 points and only scored more than 23 points once. And he did all he could to lose that WFT game. I get what you are saying but I think Teddy is definitely bad enough to get a top 3 pick. Which is what we would have gotten if Rivera didn't start Haskins. He's the same as Tyrod Taylor, in that their numbers never look flat-out terrible but only because they play super conservative. But the way they play the game is BAD and can easily get a team a high pick. Not a lot of QBs gonna throw for only 14 or whatever TDs when they have 4 1,000 YFS players around them. Teddy dog ish.

.... What? You brought up Allen Robinson. I said DJ Moore has more yards than him the last 3 years. Then for some reason you brought up Robby Anderson. What is to be confused about?

Robinson, not Anderson

Moore has more yards over the last 3 seasons than Robinson

Before answering this question, don't forget that the salary cap is going to jump and jump high. So if you are/were okay with paying DJ Moore 13-14m before, then 18m should be fine.

Well you wouldn't run it all the time, just like defenses aren't always going to be in a 3-4 alignment.

Look, even if the allegations are false, the idea that the Texans would have willingly played a role in it is just got damn foolish. The Texans literally benefit in no way from this and have far, far, FARRRRRRRRRR more to lose.

Fox is a very solid player and amazing depth. He actually was someone that jumped off the screen to me when Donald went down with an injury against the Seahawks. I don't think he's a guy you want as a full-time starter, but that isn't what we'll need him to do here. I loved the signing and I think he's going to do a great job helping alleviate the lack of pressure whenever we have to take Burns off the field. Our signings on defense have been fantastic this offseason. It lets us focus on (outside of QB) CB, S, and OL in the draft.

Yeah the way it is being handled is scummy as hell.

While I think a suspension is all but guaranteed based on how the NFL operates, I think it is far too early to say how likely it is Watson is traded or picked up by another team. I really don't know. People can point at Ben Roethlisberger and say hey, he stuck around and people were cool with it. But even that was a long time ago when you think about it. Times have changed and optics have changed. It is going to be very difficult for an NFL team to vouch for Watson if all of this turns out to be true. What Watson needs to happen at the very least is to get this settled before it gets to courts and hope that the DA of Houston chooses not to press charges after reviewing whatever Buzbee shows them. Innocent or guilty, if this goes to a full-blown court proceedings then that is really going to hurt his potential NFL future.

Almost certainly. No matter how the rest of this plays out, unless literally every single detail is false, then Watson is gonna get suspended. Look at what they did to Zeke who had far, far less going against him. NFL always suspends if not doing so will make them look bad.

I want Geno Atkins. Give us leadership on defense, fits perfectly with Brown, and can help mentor our younger DL.

Mariota is horrible.

I just do not envision any scenario where the Panthers allow themselves to miss out on a QB. Maybe it means we overpay, I don't know, but we are not going to sit back and watch teams take a QB ahead of us.

Apparently Buzbee has been in contact with the police. At this point I think we can eliminate the possibility that this is just some conspiracy or smear campaign. No lawyer is about to hand over knowingly false information. And considering there seems to be 9 different women, with no relations to each other, all with similar and corroborating stories? I mean. Man. I don't know how people can look at this any other way than what it clearly is. And it makes you wonder how long did Watson know about the possibility of this happening, and if it had something to do with him wanting out of Houston as much as he did?

If anything it makes it more likely we trade into the top 3. I mean if we can trade for Watson, we can absolutely put together a package for the #2 or #3 overall pick.