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I like Ewers and think this is the season where he needs to show his next level. Two things I like about him is going into Alabama last year and playing fantastic/winning and going into Michigan this year and doing the same. Hostile environments against teams with a lot of NFL talent on D. He’s not perfect but last year was a big leap over 2022 so I like him a lot if he’s able to make another jump up in play. He’s also big enough with a solid arm.

Damn, your optimism in the preseason got dashed on the rocks of week 1. I hear you though, been down on Young since last preseason/season and down on our talent level when we allowed Fitterer full control after firing Rhule. I couldn’t stand Fitterer and never got why he should get a chance. Lots of people (some huge posters) were so blinded by Rhule like Tepper that they didn’t see the poo results from Fitterer and here we are. Being a fan of a team that you know is the worst in the league sucks balls, especially when you trade away so much including pick #1 in 2024 and pick #33 in 2025. Hard to have a 2-3 year turn around when you don’t have all the picks. We are talking a good decade of 2-5 wins with two 7 win seasons. 2018-2027. We already know 2024 is in the shitter and most likely 2025. Will we get 8-9 wins in 2026/2027?

It always has. We just pulled a fitter and picked the wrong guy.

I know what you are saying but I wouldn’t say it’s nothing. We went 2-15 last year and there was some hope that Young might get it. 47-10 later and we need to map out a real rebuild and determine who’s worth saving. I think it’s important (as an owner, I would think this) to trust that my HC isn’t sugar coating and has a plan to develop young guys while looking at 2025 QBs. We know where most people in here will go (meddling, forcing Canales to start Young) but I think this could be a key first meeting to make sure the football guys are on the right path and not trying to put lipstick on a pig. I don’t want Tepper deciding who to draft but after that humiliation, I’d want to sit back and listen to my coach to see what he thinks of where we are now.

OMG, relax people. Canales reports to one person and Tepper’s not stupid enough to not realize Canales didn’t build this team. I’m actually hopeful that Canales can take the lead and get the franchise backing to say we need competition for Young. That’s what we all hope happens this year, an answer on whether or not Young is the guy. I know my thoughts but that was an expensive trade up with disastrous results. If I’m the owner, I want my coach to give it to me straight. If Young isn’t the guy, how do we develop the young skilled guys like Leggette and Sanders and Brooks. Do we trade anyone (lol, I know, is there anyone to trade?)? No more sugar coating, one guy away, everything is fine poo. Time to be real and decide what our future is.

WTF? Did you even read the OP’s post? He was saying it was money well spent and that the new Guards played well. SMH.

He’s not. Hint, Franks and Boone aren’t OL and there’s one OL missing from that list.

Honestly, it did make Sunday more fun. I knew Young sucked and we’d suck this year so I was prepared for the dazzling display we got. It was almost funny/comical to watch and I wasn’t as angry as you clearly appear to be. I’m just going to relax and watch some football, maybe Panthers and watch college games to see who might be worth our top pick. It’s actually interesting now that we actually have a 1st rounder.

We did sign him to an extension early.

He only was really hurt in 2020. In 2021, he missed a few games, came back and then we shelved him after Miami beat us down and we were out of it and Rhule was trying to save his job. CMC had 118 touches in 6 games before he was traded in 2022, which was almost the same pace as his SF touches in 2022. He also said he never asked for a trade. I know he’s not on the team and we like to bash those players, but I don’t believe he ever didn’t play hard every time for us. He already had the bag from us, so it’s not like Burns protecting himself before his 2nd contract.

If only some smart people in the huddle were our GM, we saw the talent drain happening back in 2020 with Teddy and we laughed at the one player away comments including Fitterer’s aside from maybe 1 or 2 positions we’re a better team in 2023. As soon as Rhule was let go, we should have canned Fitterer as well and gone for the tank and got everything we could in picks for Burns, Moore (GB offered pick 15 or 16), CMC and anyone else. Pile up the picks and select BPA and draft the QB who doesn’t look like a leprechaun whenever it fits so we don’t have to trade up.

I was just making a joke that the guys we traded are healthy. Technically, CMC has been fine for his extension because his injury years were the last years of the rookie contract including the 5th year.

Definitely planning to try and get JK Dobbins for week 2.

Moore and CMC seem healthy.

My youngest (HS senior, gets home early) just told me the news and he basically said this is our Browns era. He said Fitterer really screwed us lol.

I would bet that wasn’t the case. I’d bet what was more likely is that the “condition” was that we needed to get people to decide if Young can be the guy. I don’t think Tepper meddles as much as some think and I don’t think he’s stupid enough to keep Young around when we get embarrassed like this. Tepper has certainly not waited a long time to try and fix the GM/coach. I dont think he’d be against picking a QB in 2025 if we get what we saw today the rest of the year.

That’s not what I heard. I don’t have a constant sources but have talked to a very key person who I met through friends. The word was that there wasn’t interference this offseason. That only came up because of all the talk that Tepper was meddling.

It did but there are too many you aren’t an NFL GM so you could never be better and you have to be rah rah or you aren’t a fan. I was big on canning Fitterer with Rhule but the same people said to give him a chance because it was all Rhule’s fault and the same people said Morgan is a great hire because he’s a dawg and maybe he didn’t agree with Fitterer. When we didn’t like Rhule anymore, we needed to get rid of the GM he wanted and start fresh but we didn’t and we suffered and then we got rid of Reich but basically kept Fitterer’s right hand man because he needed a chance. Cost us an extra 5 years minimum because we were stupid and felt some sort of weird loyalty instead of just looking at the terrible results.

Why? After finishing 2018 1-7 and having 5 wins in 2019, 2020 and 2021 followed by 7-10 and 2-15, people will now stop coming because Andy Dalton isn’t starting? Dalton is 33-52-1 with more talent since 2015. He’s not going to put any more asses in the seats.

Why because Young’s hand offs are bad? Miles Sanders and Brooks have more to do with Chubba’s second contract. Chubba’s the same mediocre but hard working RB that played 2 years before Young. Aside from one game against Detroit where they admitted to playing 5 DBs the whole game, he’s basically the same RB for his 3+ years. Young has no impact on Chubba’s second contract. The fact that we signed Miles to start and drafted Brooks this year shows more about Chubba. He doesn’t lay down, but he’s gotten way more opportunities to start with Carolina than he would have anywhere else.

We were 2-15, morale isn’t an issue. Also, Canales is fine but do we really care about saving Morgan’s job? If the rookies don’t pan out, I wouldn’t care. Maybe some of the eternal optimists thought we might get to .500, but this team isn’t a .500 team even with Dalton. Dalton hasn’t had a winning record since 2015, 2015. He’s 33-52-1 since 2015 and that’s with better teams. FAs will come with $$$s, but we need multiple successful drafts giving us multiple above average starters before FAs matter. We have the least talented roster in the league. We even have the least talented roster minus the QB position. We’ve got a long way to go.

No, we know. We just have to face it that our team is booty. QB is need #1 but DJ Moore has had a flurry of bad QBs and still made something out of them. When a 34 year old Thielen looks way better than recent 2nd round picks, that’s a talent issue. Thielen got over 1000 yards with Young so Mingo and TMJ’s excuses don’t hold water. Leggette just hasn’t played enough but honestly he looked better today than I recall Mingo/TMJ so far so he’s got a chance. It’s likely to be with another QB.

Again, who would fall under this umbrella? Vets have track records and the OL guys have gotten big deals. Did Thomas or Tremble show out with any other QBs we had? TMJ had other QBs, did he look good? Moore, CMC, JJ, Evans and Godwin played with lots of QBs including our Bradford and Mayfield who you guys would have said the same thing about and the top guys show out regardless. Young sucks, but he’s not costing people money when we are throwing it around to get people around him. Our offensive players lack of talent is costing them.

Our drafting, trading and FA decisions since Fitterer came to town have been the worst in the league. It’s not even close. It’s why we have so little talent that it’s scary. Making a correct call on the next QB is the top priority. Nothing else is close. After that, we just need to have 2-3 good to great drafts. We need to draft above average starters, heck a couple studs like Luke and Cam wouldn’t hurt.

Which offensive player is Young costing money? Hunt, Corbett, Lewis and Moton all got stacks from us. Which talented offensive player is Young costing? Just name one guy who would have gotten a bag if Young’s play wasn’t hiding his talent? Johnson and Thielen will get paid based on their body of work. Who else? Mingo and Tremble getting dragged down? TMJ going to the pro bowl?