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Mayock was terrible but he didn’t spend years under a good GM (learned nothing) and he drafted Maxx Crosby, Josh Jacobs, Moreau and Renfroe in 2019 even with a shitty first rounder. That’s better than Fitterer’s picks. Also, more importantly Mayock did not handicap the Raiders upon exit by trading the next draft’s #1 overall pick and the following drafts 2nd rounder. Mayock also didn’t refuse a game changing trade for Burns while also never extending him a year and a half later. It’s funny because Mayock was a failed experiment and still he was not as bad as Fitterer.

Funny thing is I got it for something else my boys wanted to watch a couple weeks ago so the timing worked out. I haven’t seen Oppenheimer either and my youngest wants to watch it with me when it comes out in a month. I’ll likely dump it after that.

No kidding. I know it’s been gone over and over but when Hubbard is our best value pick in 3 drafts and he is a replaceable RB, that tells you how bad our 1st round picks have been for picking 1, 6, 8 and 9 before trades. If you draft well, that should be 4 pro bowl level players not the best pick being a guy who’s good when he plays one out of every 3 games.

Honestly, our best future is that Young is given a year by the new staff and leads us to a top pick in 2025. If anyone watched the Miami game, it felt like we were watching Young’s absolute ceiling with solid weapons. It was painful watching Waddle get crushed and almost crushed by two sidelines passes that took forever and a day to get to him. KC’s and Houston’s WRs/TEs got open and Mahomes and Stroud hit them while they were still open. Tua’s balls let the defenders get all the way to the WRs. Young has basically the same arm. If I’m Miami, I’m having serious discussions because I’m not sure Tua can get us to the SB and Tua is far more seasoned and better right now than Young. The only way we get out of this mess is if we get the right coaches/GM and they realize this is not a 1-2 year fix and they slow roll our build. Get the beat talent/high ceiling guys in 2024’s draft, trade anything that moves that isn’t a cheap building block for the future. Get as good a draft slot for 2025 as you can with Young leading the tank and get our QB in 2025/2026 as I don’t have a clue who is coming out in 2025. If the QB isn’t there keep adding the BPAs to the roster and roll over cap space. Basically the same damn plan as we should have done in 2020 and 2022 that our idiots didn’t get and drafted and traded so poorly it’s almost comical.

I was very impressed by Slowik. Yes, Stroud played well but his guys were consistently open and most times wide open. Collins has developed but he, Schultz, Jordan and others aren’t Justin Jefferson level. The Texans scheme looks good. Guys like Singletary, Brown, Collins, Dell as a rookie, Jordan and Schultz all took a nice step forward. Stroud had an impact but again it was impressive that guys were so open.

It’s really not hard to watch the game and also make some comparisons. Sure, their situations aren’t the same, but let’s be honest, the QB play/talent is also not even close to the same. It’s just being honest to say that our organization made a huge freaking mistake.

Gotta give the Texans credit but damn, I didn’t realize how bad the Browns D was on the road. They are letting WRs/TEs just run downfield and get 5-10 yards wide open all the time. It’s bizarre because I thought they were so good and even on run plays they are missing tackles and just feel like they are always chasing.

Man, it sucks watching these refs. I mean, how do you not see the hit way before the pass got to Njoku.

Yeah, it really hurts watching teams realizing how talent devoid we are because our GM put together 3 horrible drafts (historically bad like the old Browns taking Manziel, Richardson, Weeden, etc. year after year) and traded away picks and our best players and got nothing in return.

We would have trash Bryce because he wouldn’t have thrown it and gotten sacked or he would have thrown is 5 yards away from Collins.

Maybe a better arm? He absolutely has a better arm. If Young had a solid arm, I think most of us would say he still has a chance to be good. The problem lies squarely with his physical limitations and that’s why most of us don’t think he can ever improve enough to be a good starter.

Fitterer said he loved Young and had been following him for a year prior. We completely flubbed it and I don’t believe Reich and McCown were fighting for Stroud. The same amount of good things and smiles were said about Young by Reich as well. The CYA that he truly wanted on Stroud came out when he was on the hot seat. If our new coach and McCown laid it out on the line that Stroud has to be the pick and that he fit their offense perfectly, there’s no doubt in my mind we take Stroud. It gets tiresome and frankly silly that there’s still an effort by some (not directed at you) to excuse Reich and Fitterer as well (being too nice/collaborative). They aren’t here anymore, why are some still trying to remove blame? This was a complete fug up and we are where we are because of Tepper’s mismanagement, Fitterer’s complete lack of ability and Reich/Brown’s terrible offense and coaching (OL). You couldn’t have done worse overall as an organization if you were intentionally trying to sabotage this team. It will very likely be years before we see success.

I just want the Browns to win. I don’t think I can deal with the pre-game talking heads and announcers lathering up Stroud’s amazing year and him being able to do things everything. Also, it hurt watching a Mahomes segment on how he was a point guard in high school where he says being a point guard helped him with his vision and off platform throws. Our point guard was not really successful doing that except one time when Chark fumbled it out of the end zone.

Obviously. I feel like I recall Peters being discussed when we were replacing Marty and he wanted to stay at SF. It kind of hurt hearing he went to Washington. I’m not really optimistic on what we’ll do.

And had for the past 3 drafts and scores of failed trades/not trades. Now, on to the question. If I had $21B, I’d invent a Time Machine (assume it has a 3 year max) to go back to the 2021 offseason and not hire Fitterer but still can Marty and install myself as GM and use the Huddle and scouts for drafting. My 2021 draft priority is OL, OL and more OL. I’d let Rhule stay because he’s steering the ship in 2022 to get us a much better draft slot than 9th. The rest is gravy and hopefully, I’m sitting on a bounty of picks for 2024/2025 while also having so much more young talent.

You want to adopt me and my youngest son for a weekend? I just need to get my passport updated, pretty sure it expires soon. We are a lot of fun and that would be a blast.

Sure. He didn’t have the balls to say so and change the decision before the draft so he must have grown some balls after he publicly supported Young up until his super great coaching was obvious to see while Young messed up all those amazing plays. Reich sucked and if he, Staley and McCown wanted Stroud so bad, besides wanting to play pickup BBall, they sure did a shitty ass job convincing old pushover Shitterer.

Eh, I know a lot of people hate DG, but in 5 drafts he got Turner, Norwell, Williams, Moton, Butker, Mayo, Klein, KB, Short, Star, CMC, Samuel, Bradberry, Worley (he might get a ring this year), Boston, and Shaq. Not the best GM in the world but enough good to decent picks that you could feel decent about Beane. Also, DG/Beane picked 14, 25, 28 and 31 (Pats forfeited 1st) before getting a top 13 pick. I don’t want to hire a GM just because he’s an ex-Panther and unfortunately there is so little good under Fitterer/Morgan who also had the benefit of picking 8, 6 and 1 and still did poorly. The argument for keeping Fitterer in 2022 was that we didn’t really know what decisions were his. We took a chance and got non-Rhule drafts that were way worse than Rhule/Hurney. It would be different if we drafted a couple studs and knew Morgan was instrumental in those picks but we don’t so why risk it if you can get someone who has proved their ability.

Not sure if you think I said something wrong or the guy I was replying to did.

Right on. So much time and effort to pull the blame off people. I remember a bunch of us who saw that Fitterer sucked after 2021/2022 drafts and wanted him gone with Rhule. Either Fitterer sucked at talent or he was a yes man. To be honest, I still don’t care because both of them (he probably was both) are not what builds a successful team.

SMH. I know the cap extremely well. I don’t need anything explained. The 2024 cap will be gone if we tag Burns and sign a FA like Higgins. That’s not a vast talent improvement. We’d basically have to borrow from 2025 to add more talent and then we’re in that same boat of wasting money on Teddy, Sam, Houston, Sanders, Thomas, Hurst, Donte, etc. (too many to mention) and still having a 2-5 game winning team. Our 2026 cap hit is just our small 2023 draft class that could be 100% backups by then, so of course we have the most space. We likely are the only team without a good player/non-2023 rookie signed in 2026. We are fake cap rich right now because we’ve got no long term talent tied up and we haven’t gone through 2024 free agency. Here’s to hoping the new GM realizes we aren’t going to compete in 2024 so maximize future picks and don’t waste cap space like 2019-2023 to get to 5-7 wins max.

In one game, dude’s laziness cost us two TDs. He only has 1 TD in 3 years so he’s basically a net negative scoring wise in 3 years and we passed over a pro-bowl center, which was a huge need for us.

That hurts to read.

We just need a competent GM and coaching staff. Fitterer really did put the new GM in a bad position but here we are. Just need to actually start hitting on draft picks. I know it’s rare but looking at how the Rams righted their ship in literally one draft without a 1st is impressive. That GM and scouting team did their homework and killed it. They got 4 quality starters, not just starters like TMJ or Thomas.

Who cares? He’s the GM. It’s like Reich not having the balls and conviction to say he wanted Stroud over Young means that he’s incompetent or he didn’t really have that conviction for Stroud. If Fitterer was literally a rubber stamp for others and couldn’t come up with better choices (there were dozens of those) then he should have been fired with Rhule just like many of us told you. I hate these tweets and posts about trying to spread the blame on others. Fitterer’s boss in Seattle wasn’t just a Yes man so he should know better. He didn’t so he deserved to go just like Reich. They both performed poorly and didn’t come to the table with better ideas.