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Actually, I think the best outcome is that Young is the same next year and leads us to the top pick again and we realize he’s not the answer. I think that that is the best chance of a turnaround. I’ll be honest that I don’t think Young will ever have it. He could improve with better weapons but I think that would just be another slow bleed like Teddy was. I hated signing Teddy because I knew he’d be OK enough to mess up the rebuild and that he didn’t have the ceiling to make us a contender. That kills the chance of winning a SB because you get what we’ve had the past 5 years where the coach/GM think we are close and keep wasting resources when we never really had a chance.

I think the lack of 1st overall in 2024 means we can’t start that turnaround until 2025.

It would actually help explain it because when you look at draft picks and trades, you’d have to do it intentionally bad to get so much wrong. I know our drafting would have been better by taking any draft web site’s top 300 draft sheets and just taking best player available every pick and every trade would have been better by doing the opposite. Don’t do any trade we did and do every trade we didn’t.

He helped the Jets out with several picks and they turned the 2nd into Breece Hall. He gave an MVP level player to SF for a mid 2nd. He gave a WR who broke Bear records and a team changing trade. Don’t forget the Rams. The Rams kept McVay and had a renaissance in part because they didn’t trade for Burns. They got a starting G with the 2nd they kept and in the 3rd got a DT and DE who both had as many or more sacks than Burns. Now they also still have their 2024/2025 1sts. That Young trade was such a win for Chicago. Basically, we gave them pick 9, 2 2nds and DJ Moore to push their #1 overall pick from 2023 to 2024. SMH, we helped every team we traded with and also the one team whose offer we rejected.

Agree. I think even the Tepper hate will drift away if we do well in the draft. It really is that simple. You see it all the time where a really good draft, especially with a good QB, turns teams around. I just don’t like not seeing honesty right now. It’s almost silly to act like anything is good. We just fired the HC and GM and were easily the least competitive and worst team.

We don’t know what Morgan could do without A) starting with Fitt’s mistakes, B) Coach X having final say or C) without Tepper meddling. It’s scary that the same guys just attach to the next guy and act like it’s all good and making the same excuses. Since Morgan is an ex-Panther, that adds a whole new level of excuses.

He’s supposed to be honest. This type of a response is worrying. Trying to act like the last three years of decision making, including him, was not a poo show leads to trying to patch a 4 foot hole with caulk instead of using a new sheet of drywall. He said exactly what Fitterer said last year after trading away CMC and Moore and acting like we were more talented overall. It’s funny because I remember when Tepper got the team or when he fired Rivera, he sent out PSL letters asking for patience. Since then, the dishonesty or delusion has been rampant. Whether it was to save face and keep their jobs or incompetence, we don’t know although we couldn’t have done worse. Morgan saying we need a lot of work and good drafts, etc. would be refreshing. We were 2-15 and a hair away from 0-17. Stop blowing smoke up our asses and be honest about our talent challenges.

He had some great picks but man, it’s not as hard if you continue to have top 10 picks. Your field is so narrowed down. His problem was always that he fell in love and didn’t care who dropped or if he had to reach. He, also like Fitt, never drafted for BPA/value/strengths of the draft so the reaches were always worse, like Fitt, as they both missed much better players at other positions.

Very, because you were talking about Burns not being worth more than Moron as if they were both making the same amount. You are moving your goal post a bit now. If we extend Burns, he’ll likely have a smaller cap number early on just like Moton. In 2021-2023, Moton’s cap was about $8M per year. Moton’s deal will not conflict with Burns at all. That said, you are correct that I don’t think we did a good job with cap. When you win 24 games in 5 years, and you draft a rookie QB, your cap space should be ginormous already not hey we have a lot of cap in 2025 since we have no impact starters under contract. We should have had no issue signing Brown, Burns and Luvu without pushing more money into 2024 from the past 5 years of mediocrity.

Same page. Just like Fitterer, you often hear this guy was good in the huddle, but the proof isn’t really there.

That’s very misleading. Moton’s 5 year deal averages $17M per year not $30M. That’s also Moton’s cap number, not average salary, and it’s high because we pushed a ton of cap to the backend of the deal. If we sign Burns, he’ll be getting a lot more per year than Moton, almost double.

Yeah, he really put Robbie, Ian and Donte in their place. Houston and Sanders probably sent him an card after the news. All I know is that we signed off on Darnold’s 5th year option and if he was the cap/contract guy, he failed miserably. There was no reason to do the fifth year. Worst case scenario is that we found a gem for cheap and would have to pay $3-6M (can’t recall exact #s) more to franchise him. Best case scenario, he fails like most of us expected and we save $18-21M. Any good cap/contract guy would have known. The “risk” of not doing the 5th year was negligible if you actually found your future QB.

If Dan wasn’t an ex-Panther, no one would want him to be hired.

Sorry man, but in the past few years, the huddle has been way more right than the team’s moves. Did you hear about the trade offer we declined for Burns? Have you seen our drafting? The team has been absolutely gutted talent wise and literally every decision the team has made has been wrong except some small exceptions. Feel free to point to any move the huddle hated that turned out to be a great move.

Really? What was his best move in the past 3 years in the Panthers GM room? If he wasn’t a Yes man, was he fine with trading DJ and did he think we shouldn’t trade Burns? If he voiced his displeasure with the Young hire, why did Tepper hire him and why wasn’t he able to change minds? If we assume he’s clearly not going to swallow his voice then does it stand to reason that Morgan was part of the consensus picking Young? I asked questions like these when people wanted to give Fitterer a chance because even though we sucked balls, it was Rhule’s fault and I got no answers. I still never got an answer on what was Fitterer’s best value move and why we should keep him. I was clearly right on wanting Fitterer gone last year so what did Morgan do well here?

Our defense was hurt by the offense but they also benefited from our horrible offense. Teams always had leads, so they weren’t throwing the kitchen sink at us. When people say we were the 4th best defense, it’s misleading. We weren’t anywhere close to the real top defenses that let up 100+ points less than us even though opponents had garbage time galore trying to catch up. I think Evero did a good job with the limited talent we have but we weren’t a top 5 D. We had the 2nd worst net points in the league. Washington was -189 and we were -180 and there was a large gap to 3rd worst at -141. Heck, there were only 4 other teams at -100+. That net points difference is why teams absolutely took the pedal off the gas and ran more against us. We also knew they would be running more once they gained leads. Our D was decent and was way better than our horrific offense.

I’m not a big fan of using only yardage stats. We were 29th in scoring D. I think our yardage benefited from the fact that we were constantly behind. Teams didn’t really have garbage time against us trying to come back while we had huge leads. Once our opponents got ahead of us, they were just trying to run out the clock. We were 1st in defense in passes attempted (fewest) and 28th in rushing attempts (5th most). Opponents ran more against us than they passed. Our D performed admirably in some games like the 2 wins, but we weren’t the 4th best defense in the league by any stretch. We just had such a poo offense that opponents knew that scoring 17-20 point was enough. The only games we scored more than 18 were when Dalton started, Detroit and Miami got up 21-25 and we scored 21 points in the 4th to get to get over 20 points and against GB.

There is no hate on Morgan. Those of us who didn’t want him hired is because the “nor does anyone know his real responsibilities” is the same lame excuse people gave to give Fitterer another chance. That’s worked out terribly for us and set us back years of talent. If Dan didn’t make any decisions then why would you want him as GM? Why wouldn’t you want a GM candidate with actual wins on his plate? If Dan did have some decision making then he made terrible decisions because the last 3 years of GM/scouting is our worst in history by far. We’ve got the worst recent record in football and ever let him have another chance decision was wrong. I wish I could be optimistic but I can’t think of anything we’ve done over the past 2-3 years of assistant GMing to feel good about the future. Oh well, it’s not surprising.

Welp, fug it. I guess I was stupid to hope we hired a firm to help us search for great candidates. Hiring from within when the GM crew was the worst we’ve ever had the past three years and our vet moves were as bad as the draft, makes no sense. Oh well, maybe we’ll have some luck since our franchise always seems to get the benefit of the doubt and the best luck.

We didn’t burn it down with Rhule and as sad as it seems, we kept the worst part of Rhule/Fitterer duo and now we have a worse team armed with less draft picks to rebuild. If we had burned it down, we might have had someone other than Fitterer who would recognize that Burns was a much better way to get a rookie QB and surround them with talent.

Exactly. We should have let Grier try to get us the top pick (or pick 3 to get SF’s 3 firsts) in 2021 and we should have let Corral/bad Mayfield get us a top 3 pick in 2023 so we didn’t have to sell the farm for Young and maybe get lucky that we had to take Stroud. We’ve done the FA QB thing for years and got nowhere. Let Young get us a top pick in 2025. Like he did in 2024 only for us to trade it away because we didn’t have the picks from Burns to use.

It’s comical. Heck, people think he was sending in play calls. Tepper is responsible for everything because he’s made egregiously bad hires, but I do find it funny that some people actually think he’s made every football related decision. It was the same way with Rhule where many in here (not me) forgave Fitterer for having to deal with Rhule and his wife and 2 drafts later with more control, we find that the best value pick we made in Fitterer’s reign was the RB that Rhule’s wife liked.

Yep, again why I’m not interested in an ex-Panther that was part of all of the awful decisions including trades we made and ones we should have. The guys from the drafts we even call decent are easily replaceable. The only above average talent is a guy we took #8 overall and he’s missed 29 games in 3 years.

It all made no sense. You run the clock out to keep the ball away from Mahomes and then the first two plays are end zone shots so no need for KC timeout and best case is you are tied and KC can win with a FG. Also, two incompletions and you did 0 to improve the FG chance after the 2 minute warning. That underneath pass looked like Diggs had enough space that he keeps going and gets a first down. KC had 2 timeouts so worst case is they have to get a FG with no timeouts, probably under a minute and most importantly no Tyreke Hill. Best case, you get 1 more first and get a TD without any time left for KC to score a TD.

Had we taken the Rams deal for Burns, we would have had pick 36, which was 3 picks away from where Tennessee traded up for Levis. We could have traded up from 36 to 33 for a 4th. So, for the same as what we used to trade up for DJ Johnson, we could have turned the Rams pick into LaPorta who was taken 34th. Heck, for a little more than we used on DJ Johnson overall, maybe trade from 36 to 24 for Kincaid. It seemed like both Buffalo and Detroit (especially after Hockenson) were TE spots. I’m sure we’ll go TE in this draft since 2023 was the loaded TE draft and this year looks like a loaded WR draft. Oh well, La Porta and two more firsts wouldn’t have helped the offense anyway. I’m just glad we quickly locked up Burns…