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Damn. So right because maybe we avoid hiring Fitterer and possibly Rhule.

Hire Matt Rhule Hire Scott Fitterer Not Fire Fitterer with Rhule Hire Frank Reich Not Fire Fitterer with Reich

I disagree. The trade was bad value for us knowing our 2024 pick would be very high and thinking Chark could replace Moore. We were clearly a rebuilding team after 2022 and it was clear we wanted a QB. We should have traded Burns and Moore when we traded CMC. Get full value and lots of picks (3 firsts, 2 2nds, etc.) and “tank” the rest of 2022 to get a top 3 pick not pick 9. We half assed it yet again. Even though I’m sure Fitterer would have fuged it up somehow, we still did the QB trade up completely wrong. Wouldn’t it have been great to give the Rams 1sts instead of ours and still have Moore? In the 2023 draft, the Rams picks would have been more valuable because we were considered a better team before they had a great draft and we had a shitty one.

I’m of the opinion that Tepper has sucked at hiring but IMHO, the single most important problem is Fitterer. I think Tepper “could” be fine if a GM was drafting, signing FAs and trading well. Look at Rhule’s first year. You can laugh, but it was a much better team. I don’t want Rhule back, but we were expected to be awful in 2020. We lost Cam, Luke, Olsen, TD, Bradberry and we had a QB whose career high in TDs was 1 per game. We played both #1 seeds that year (GB and KC) and lost by a total of 10 points including Teddy fumbling at the goal line. Rhule wasn’t a good coach but damn, we were at least competitive. What do you think we’d lose to SF and Baltimore by this weekend? Our drafting, FA signings and trade decisions have been consistently similar and horrible in Fitterer’s 3 offseasons whether Rhule was blamed or he got more power when Rhule was on the hot seat or when Reich was hired and we blame every decision on Tepper. One tidbit to remember is Fitterer is on record after the draft saying that Young was his top guy for 2 years. Tepper sucks but the talent black hole for this team is Fitterer regardless of who gets blamed. It feels icky for me to even remotely back Tepper but I do think he and his wife getting blamed for all these personnel moves is funny. We even heard of Fitterer and other coaches going to Tepper behind Reich’s back. IMHO, I think Tepper is a dumb rich kid who has gotten snowed quite a bit by yes men who blame others for their clear failures. I think Tepper is fixable in that a good GM/coach would have a lot more free rein than most people think if they do well. Reich was not good at all as many parts (like the OL) fell apart under his watch just like it did at Indy, but my god is the talent level atrocious for any coach. That said, I’m not optimistic at all that we find a good coach/GM pairing and I see us being a bottom dweller for a while. I do know that I won’t watch this team next year if Fitterer is not gone. It would take a freaking miracle to get a good team under him like a coach who makes all the offseason moves and makes amazing calls. I don’t believe in unicorns.

Reich was just as much a problem. His coaching was terrible. Even with Sunday, the team almost winning two in a row is better than anything Frank did. Also, what kind of balls does he have to not convince Tepper that Stroud is the guy? If you know Young cannot win, you convince the rest of the staff. Every article and interview from February to right after the draft had the staff on Young. It wasn’t until the preseason poo went straight into regular season that the CYA started.

After the Jets fleeced us for Darnold and Jacksonville fleeced us for Henderson, what did you expect? In on every trade was because every GM picks up the phone when Scott’s calling. Heck, even SF used their 3-4 start last year to fleece us on CMC. We helped SF absorb the Lance fiasco by handing them an MVP candidate for a mid 2nd round value. SF has been to the NFC Championship and now has the #1 seed locked up in part to us. McVay was willing to come back to the Rams in part because Scott declined that huge haul for Burns and the Rams turned their 2023 draft into getting back to the playoffs. Everything Scott does has a positive impact. Unfortunately, it’s always benefiting other teams. Even in the draft, Scott ignoring our horrible OL in 2021 meant that we drafted TMJ and a long snapper. By doing this, Scott allowed KC to get Humphrey and Smith to rebuild 40% of their OL that lost them the prior SB (started 5 backups) and helped win a SB in their second season. The Chargers and Vikings also got their LTs and we got a CB who doesn’t play and a LT who we need to try at G because he’s so bad in pass protection. It’s truly amazing how bad he’s really been and how much better the huddle group think has been. I’m talking the people who pay attention to the draft and FA/trades, not the team can do no wrong folks.

Fitterer gutted this team in 3 years. Truly and utterly gutted the talent. I miss the Rhule Panthers compared to the poo team we are now. As pointed out, again, above, the team Rhule started with was considered a rebuilding team after Cam, TD, Olsen, Luke, Bradberry and others were gone. I recall ESPN having us #32 in terms of coaching and starting lineup changes and we weren’t close to #31. Fitterer said he thought this team was better at all but two spots than the 2022 team and he had traded away basically 2 full drafts for Young, Darnold, Mayfield, Henderson, Corral and Johnson. We did exactly the opposite of every rebuilding team and now we are the worst team in the league and don’t have the #1 overall pick and don’t have pick 33 to 36 in 2025. Sucks being a fan right now because there is almost nothing positive going on and I don’t see how 2024 is any better than this year unless we miraculously have a draft like the Rams just did with no first with a new GM and his forbid a good coaching staff.

Scott was right, we won’t have a top 10 pick this year. fuging dolt. The worst part is that the race wasn’t even close. We got the top pick by 2 games. We’ve gotten super unlucky the past 4-5 years having high picks but being one loss away from jumping up a couple/few/several picks like missing out of SF’s Trey Lance bounty by beating Dwayne Haskins the game before his release. Now, miracle of miracles we actually get the top pick easily when we are a poo team and we’ve traded it away. SMH. All I know is that I will not watch a game next year if Fitterer isn’t gone.

Hot damn, 0 for 4. I hope you and the rest of the folks in here didn’t place any bets.

Agreed and he also should have been gone with Rhule. Heck, I wanted him gone before 2022’s draft because I hated his 2021 draft skipping over solid OL for guys who never started for us or won’t make it to then end of their rookie deal. Add in the trades for Darnold and Henderson and I thought he was a shitty GM and we got proof in 2022/2023 that he was a super shitty GM.

And 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder and heck pretty much all his picks. Imagine that there were people who were stroking Fitterer before the season started. Still pissed this idiot wasn’t dumped with Rhule. Maybe we would have gotten a GM who knew last season was the time to trade everyone and shoot for a QB without trading away our future.

Fitterer to a T. It sure seems like he’s just copying what he thinks worked elsewhere (short QB, legion of boom) and then take a 6th round G from Tennessee after you selected Deonte and a long snapper over the much better 6th round G from Tennessee. In fantasy, he’s basically the guy at the end of every run. He doesn’t find great value and he lets others dictate his decisions like trading up for Corrall and DJ Johnson.

Amazing how much pro bowl and HOF talent we have on this 2-13 team.

All GB has done is run away from Brown. They realize he’s our only legit every play defender.

Jaycee and Burns let Jones run tight through them for his longest run of the year. WTF. This team needs a cleanse. Too bad we don’t have loads of picks and a GM.

Probably one of the easiest ways to see that Fitterer sucks balls. In an offseason where there were tons of articles and outrage that franchise RBs weren’t getting paid we were the only team to sign a big FA RB contract to a JAG whose team replaced him because they knew it was their OL and QB that made him.

Like Leonard Floyd and Donte Fowler did? If Burns needs Donald to be successful, we never should have passed on the deal and we shouldn’t pay him $30M. Guys who make that amount of money and garner that kind of value are Donald level guys.

Yeah, that drive makes you realize that it’s not just our offense tiring them out. The D has played well here and there but it’s mainly been bad offenses. We need a lot of help all over.

It was against a team that has one of the starting (no longer) QBs that is on the same level as ours. Only problem is Atlanta really is a great QB away. We need that and almost everything else.

Damn, how did we pass on that package from the Rams? Remember when we were smart to turn it down because the Rams showed us how valuable he was? SMH. Only rebuilding team that has almost zero young talent with 2-4 years left on their rookie deals.

We let go of the wrong people. Either we should have done a complete reboot or traded only Burns. He would have gotten us trade value more than the rest combined and the cap amounts to keep CMC and Moore are equivalent to keeping Burns. The other huge benefit is that you are keeping players that would be immensely helpful to keep the D honest which helped Young and the OL. I would much rather have DJ, CMC and 2 1sts and 1 2nd than Burns and probably about a 1st round pick (we already wasted it).

Sorry but you are doing the mental gymnastics. We have already sunk costs on CMC which is why we have all the dead cap. That money was already paid to CMC and is gone and was going to hit our cap no matter if we traded him or not. When we were deciding on trading CMC, what matters? That amount of dead cap couldn’t go away so the only thing that matters was if the “new money” we’d pay CMC plus his actual play on the field was worth more than the draft picks we’d get. My posts have been solely about trade decisions and not worrying about dead cap which has no bearing on it. New money was exactly the same as SF is paying. So again, the choices were: 1) Keep CMC - we’d have to pay him $10M in new cap hit money (same as SF) and we wouldn’t get the mid 2nd round pick value but he would be our starting RB. 2) Trade CMC - we would save the $10M per year in cap space and we would receive mid 2nd round pick value but he would not be our starting RB. We chose #2 and Fitterer fuged it up more because he did poo with the picks and he signed Sanders to an expensive deal. In the end we saved a couple million a year and got far worse RB play from Sanders.

Again, great point that shows how he just didn’t get stuff. SF was 3-4 at the time and the pick looked OK but Fitterer never even thought hey CMC might make them better. SMH, every week our picks dropped more slots. The entire haul was basically worth a mid 2nd round pick. So, no foresight Fitterer traded away CMC for value in between where we took Mingo and Marshall. SMH.

Nope, I know how the cap works. The signing bonus or any other already paid bonus was on our books. The only variable was when that bonus money hit the cap. It cost SF $10M per year. It would have cost us $10M new money (exactly what SF will pay) per year to keep him. At the point where we traded him, it was get mid 2nd round value and save $10M per year on our cap or keep him and pay the extra $10M per year.

People don’t get it. Same people were more than happy to give away CMC for basically a mid 2nd round pick even though he would have only cost us $10M per year. CMC is an MVP level impact to the team for a 3rd of the price for Burns. I understand getting rid of CMC as well because we should have looked ahead and said we want a rookie QB in the 2023 draft so do what you can to get as high a draft slot as possible and get rid of the expensive players who you can get good to great value for because they aren’t going to matter much in 2023-2025. You are building to have the rookie QB at a playoff level in 2026, maybe 2025 if you are lucky. We half assed it and made every wrong decision.