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It was amazing. Floyd is $9M this season and will likely be a but more than half of what we pay Burns longer term. I’m glad for Moore looking great this year but we should have traded him for Green Bay’s 1st last year as well compared to the pick swap (2nd instead of 1st) we got this year. We lost a ton of value by waiting and trying to win our putrid division. I wanted to make the playoffs because hell, we didn’t do any trades but even if we made it, we get stomped by Dallas like Tampa did.

How much is Burns out snapping YGM? What’s the comparison per snap?

I was thinking that watching that game. Former Panther QBs are 4-2 and we are 0-6.

This is one of the games we could win. No idea if we will but Houston isn’t Detroit or Miami.

2 1sts and pick 36 in the last draft. It was such a good offer Also, for those of you who always say edge rushers are so hard to find, blah, blah. Just like Reddick was a FA a couple year ago like Judon as well, I’m watching Leonard Floyd who has 6.5 sacks this year after being released by the Rams this offseason. It’s really not as hard as people think and the rest of the bounty would have been nice for Young to get some weapons.

The difference isn’t just the order. We wasted the opportunities we were given to get 3 1sts and 1 2nd for DJ and Burns. Miami got rid of Tunsil and Minkah when they were hot and got full value. The vets we are looking to trade barely play right now. We aren’t getting the same deal for Burns and DJ was a throw in so we could trade our 2025 2nd instead of a 2025 1st, which is a lot less than getting a 2023 1st for him. Fitt completely blew the opportunity we had last year. Instead we traded just CMC for peanuts because SF went on a tear after getting CMC (shocking SMH). Now we have a much worse team and we don’t have the valuable players to trade and we have Thielen and no one else on O. Our OL is still extremely suspect too.

Not to rub salt in the wound but we also gave up CMC for the most part as well. The best pick we got for CMC was included in the trade up. We basically got DJ Johnson with the rest. It really could be DJ Moore, CMC, Jalen Carter (or whoever at pick 9), Caleb Williams (or a bounty) and the 2025 2nd for Young and DJ Johnson. We gave up a poo ton, unfortunately, when we didn’t have the talent level to do that for a QB that wasn’t clearly a future stud.

The Miami tank worked just like the Bears last year. Miami even won some meaningless games so they took Tua at 5 but that huge Tunsil trade was the backbone (traded one of the 1sts from Tunsil for 3 1sts from 49ers) of their rebuild. This forum would have freaked if we gave up a star LT for picks but Miami is now a consistent winner because of it.

Exactly, we'll do some half assed effort again like Chinn, TMJ and Donte for 7th rounders. It would have been nice to get 3 firsts and a second for Burns and DJ instead of throwing in DJ so we lose a 2nd instead of a first. If we would have gone hog wild we might have avoided giving up the 2024 first.

Lol. It sure seems like a lot of CYA going on now. Everyone is playing hot potato. People close to Reich are saying it’s not his fault that the team he said would be a playoff team is sucking balls. Sorry, I’ve watched the games and the play calling is awful and the roster decisions are terrible (Fitterer). I’m not blaming the owner’s wife lol.

Really? From Wikipedia: Dundon wasted little time in overhauling the Hurricanes' front office. On March 8, 2018, the team announced that general manager Ron Francis had been moved to the role of president of hockey operations.[31] However, Sportsnetreporter Elliotte Friedman reported that the "promotion" was likely in name only, noting that there were rumblings Francis and Dundon did not see "eye-to-eye".[32][non-primary source needed]Subsequently, coach Bill Peters resigned from his position on April 20, 2018,[33] to pursue a similar opportunity with the Calgary Flames (he ultimately replaced Glen Gulutzan as the Flames' head coach three days later),[34] and the Hurricanes officially fired Francis from the organization altogether on April 30, 2018,[35]leaving vacancies in both the head coach and general manager positions. Wasnt Ron Francis a pretty big hockey guy? The Hurricanes made the playoffs in Dundon’s first full year and every year since. It’s easier to be more hands off when you make the playoffs every year. That’s not the Panthers who had a flash of hope to end last year and are now worse than they were with Rhule at the helm.

1 out of every 32 teams is the worst in the league. Of course it’s not normal to meet up that much but how many other others were convinced by their HC and GM that playoffs were achievable and that their best two offensive players were expendable, their not extended edge rusher was worth as much as the first pick in the draft and that we should trade up now. It’s funny that people use Tepper’s point guard pressed as though he forced the Young pick and that he thought Moore was expendable. I see it as him restating what his chosen HC and GM told him. Tepper is not coming up with that on his own and it’s obvious now that he’s very upset because he was sold a bill of goods and we ended up the worst team in the league. I still blame him for not letting Hurney go with Ron, same with Fitterer. I just find it funny that some of the heaviest posters are loving this blame Tepper stuff because their lauded HC and GM again look like their decisions weren’t their fault. Amazing.

That list won’t net us much at all. The only deal they should be making is getting what the Rams offered for Burns, which may be a pipe dream now.

I did and it’s a bad analogy. If Reich and Fitt were doing their job well, you could have a point. They aren’t so it’s a bad analogy.

SMH, could you make a worse comparison? Being an owner of a football team and questioning an 0-5 all star coach is not the same as getting a heart transplant. I’m sorry man, but your coach and GM are just not good. One day you might admit it and not keep trying to find excuses for them.

Yep. He’s the root of the problem because the guys in charge are his decisions. Still can’t believe people are blaming him as if he’s running the show. He’s the new Rhule. The problem IMHO is squarely on Frank and Scott but there’s an active movement in here to make Frank and Scott look not so bad anymore as if they had no choice. SMH, are these people watching the games or do they think Tepper’s calling plays too?

As mentioned above, of course it’s challenging. Reich was talking playoffs and now we are going to be 0-6 and likely 4 games out of first and already behind on 2 of 3 tiebreakers. Any boss would want some answers at that point and it should be challenging.

It’s still amazing to me that you guys actually think Tepper thought up the point guard mentality for Young meaning that he didn’t need Moore. That IMHO is coming straight from the football guys trying to explain to their boss why DJ Moore is a throw in on a trade up when we had an offer of a 1st for him last season. The CYA being done by people, who thought Frank and his staff were all-stars (after getting fired from Indy) and the people who still think Fitterer did a good job, is truly astounding. Frank’s done a terrible job and our Fitterer has plundered our talent. I don’t care if Tepper is involved and wants to see Frank because he keeps losing. Tepper made egregious mistakes by hiring Rhule and likely Frank and keeping bad GMs, but Frank and Fitt would suck even with a hands off owner.

I’m not happy with Tepper because he kept Marty who gave us Rhule and Fitterer who gave us Frank and is a bad GM, but man this is scapegoating IMHO. Feels like media is trying to turn Tepper into Dan Snyder since there’s a void now of a terrible meddling owner. I watch Frank’s presser and see an owner who wants his head coach, who promised playoffs, to explain why we are about to be 0-6. That seems reasonable to me. Instead that simple presser has turned into Frank wanted Stroud, which seems complete BS since other people told us he wanted AR and Tepper shoved Young down his throat. Seems like Frank and Fitt’s buddies are trying to save their asses. It is funny though to now see hurdlers saying Frank wanted Stroud since he’s doing the best when all along the draft everything was Young and that the staff liked AR second.

Brady erased a lot of the bad decisions. BB’s one draft plus is that he did find a bunch of good OL and D (secondary, DL and LB). I think he probably drafted better than most think at less visible positions. NE’s secondary has had pro-bowl caliber guys every year since Brady was a rookie. He did seem good at getting good FAs like Moss and Welker for peanuts. As you said he was also very good about getting rid of guys who were in line for huge paydays so he could keep the his core guys.

Yep. Most rebuilding teams* will trade away expensive vets for draft picks, won’t make FA signings that lose you a 3rd and 5th compensation and don’t try to win so they can get the marquee talent including elite QBs. We wasted 3 years trying to compete and are at a pick deficit still and have been for multiple years such that we have a shell of a team around a rookie QB and pissed away what’s likely our best draft position since Cam. * To the folks who are still in denial on that, we lost Cam, Luke, Bradberry, Olsen and a bunch more going into the 2020 season. We had a huge talent drain and Marty 2.0 did not have good drafts in 2018-2020. We were absolutely rebuilding as Tepper’s be patient letter to PSL owners said.

God that hurts right now. We could have gotten a solid TE with pick 36 or even traded up to try and get Kincaid or LaPorta who went just before. I love where it mentions we have multiple offers for DJ and Burns but weren’t trading either. SMH, could have come away with 3 firsts and pick 36 in the past draft. Instead DJ is a throw in so we only owe a 2025 2nd instead of a 1st and we can’t really add many weapons due to key draft pick deficits.

I don’t want to make you feel worse but Miami made a lot of vet trades for picks. They traded for Hill because they got rid of Fitzpatrick for a 1st and Tunsil for a couple 1sts and a 2nd (sound familiar?). One of those firsts ended up being the pick the 49ers traded 3 firsts for and the pick we should have had if Rivera hadn’t started Haskins for a week only to release him. Anyway, while we are minus all the picks for Young, Miami used their tank pick on Tua and then used all the picks received in trades to rebuild their team and make trades like Hill. We are in the same spot except we traded away a bunch of picks and our offensive stars and didn’t trade our defensive guy for the bounty.

Just watch Survivor. I thought their casting had changed recently to cast train wrecks for the ratings. Now, I’m thinking that’s just how it is now. They ousted a nerd (not derogatory, I watch Survivor and Sci-fi/fantasy), who loved Survivor. Dude said he was good at puzzles and he was terrible. His physical ability was 0.0 and he made it to week 2 because a therapist couldn’t hack it on day 1. It is sad to watch.

I don’t want it and personally, I hope we pull off a bunch of wins even if they are all luck and bounces. I just don’t want to see the Bears using our top pick to turn their franchise around. I would still laugh though because it would means we would have been better off with Rhule. The irony alone would make some heads explode in here.