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@GRWatcher said the same on the previous page and I said that during the game thread. When it was a run he lined up on the LOS. It was crazy obvious.

Ok? Was anyone really scared of Mariota either? Point was more about someone acting like Robinson couldn’t replace the 438 yards Mariota supplied. Personally, I’d rather play Mariota than Ridder/Robinson, but is either scary? No. Also, it’s truly comical in here about how much poo pooing is being done on the Falcons run game when then Huddle loved our simple run the ball offense last year as we closed in on a playoff spot. We’ll need to stop the run tomorrow because we are going to see a lot of it.

No. I think he knew Zappe would get through so he was basically taking a free look at Corral. He saw in a week what took us almost 2 years and 2 draft picks.

Still unfathomable that we spent a 2nd, a 3rd, two 4ths, one 5th and one 6th to replace our $31M one year investment in Teddy with $24M Sam, Baker and Matt. I mean, if you include losing Bradberry’s 3rd round comp pick (and the 6th we got back), we paid $60M and lost 3 day 2 and 3 day 3 picks for the pleasure of watching that poo for 3 years.

They are very bearable but losing Mariota is not the reason they are.

Huh? Mariota had 438 yards rushing. The rest of the team had 2280 yards rushing. You don’t think Robinson can replace Mariota’s incredible 438 yards? That’s 17 yards rushing from Robinson and an extra 9 yard pass from Ridder per game. Are you still drunk from last night? I’m hoping our run D steps up but Mariota being replaced by Ridder and Robinson doesn’t make me feel relieved.

Agreed. This to me is like our drafting sometimes where we didn’t look ahead to future strengths and seem to draft to the weaknesses of a draft instead of the deeper parts to get value. As soon as we knew we were turning down that haul, get the extension done. To me there was no reason to wait. If they needed to see more, you take two 1sts and a 2nd from a team that’s on the last year of their window (shut quickly). If you don’t need to see more and turn down that deal you see Crosby (whose stats are just a bit better) and Chubb getting deals and Bosa needing a deal a year later. You immediately say give him the $23.5M per year that Crosby got and handover a nice bonus to make Burns happy.

Agreed. We were 7-10 and got Young and an amazing staff but we are being told to expect a worse season where we won’t be talking playoffs? We aren’t a 1-2 win team like most top picks join. I still feel like Young has to do great for us to win and we went 7-10 with some serious poo at QB.

He is but I agree that I feel like he has to play really well for us to have win games. If he has an OK game, not sure I like our chances.

Agree. Some people are black or white with things. Preseason doesn’t matter. No, wins and scores in preseason don’t matter because it’s never apples vs apples and so many players who won’t impact real games play a ton. What matters is when your starting players are making mistakes or losing 1 on 1 matchups. That’s concerning and a big reason why many say we didn’t look good. It’s amazing to me that that is hard to understand. Just look at the homer posts that went from playoff talk due to assumptions that we improved more than our NFC South opponents mainly due to having the #1 pick. I agreed with them that we had a good shot. Then preseason rough play happened and those same people posting tons of threads on tempering expectations and saying we shouldn’t think playoffs.

Looking forward to Sunday but it has been a long 5 years and this offseason hasn’t really gone great. WR injuries, not signing Burns after turning down a haul, some seriously bad play in preseason games even if we all know scores/wins don’t matter and of course the eternal optimists talking playoffs before the preseason games only to start posting about tempering expectations after the preseason games. I was pretty excited for Young and still am about him but not really sure how we’ll do. It sure seemed like we plugged our QB hole and even with some growing pains there, the new staff should be able to outdo Rhule/Wilks.

Yeah, I’m sure Samir’s playing hardball like he did to Thomas, Chosen and Donte. We aren’t very good at setting prices or seeing far down the road or we wouldn’t be here. We should have known our negotiations would be best when Crosby/Chubb are signing, not when Bosa is.

Taylor is ridiculous and he’s false starting almost every time. He is lining up normal when they run. Almost wondering why Detroit hasn’t keyed in on it. The refs sure don’t seem to be calling anything on the OLs. I wonder if that will continue.

No chance I am reading that book, but luckily your last paragraph is enough. So you are saying the NFL exists because they and the networks figured out that selling advertising time was profitable, but advertisers are funding the NFL out of the goodness of their hearts because they make more than NFL owners? I love the bolded part. The number of NFL fans that watch drives the NFL and networks to make a ton of money but it’s not because of how much money the NFL fans spend on advertisers’ products. That begs the question or WTF would companies advertise if it didn’t get them any return on their investment. You are saying that the stupid companies are just throwing money to advertise but don’t care about whether or not their advertising actually has an ROI. That or you are saying that advertising doesn’t actually work but stupid companies just do it anyway. A quick search got me this definition, which seems to imply that, gasp, companies advertise in NFL games to get NFL fans to buy their products or services: Product advertising is the organizational strategy of increasing sales by promoting products to potential customers. Seems to imply that that companies actually do want to advertise, funding the NFL revenue from the networks, because they expect to increase sales. Amazingly, sales increase because NFL fans buy stuff.

Ok, you are doubling down that Ford, P&G, AT&T and Disney make their money on anything other than us consumers? They don’t need the NFL or it’s fans but they can just afford to advertise and pay a premium for no reason because they could succeed without it? That’s a terrible way to run a business by paying premiums for advertising when they don’t need to advertise. There is no fallacy, corporations make money by consumers spending money on their products. They advertise with the networks because they are in business to make money and maximize profits. Acting like companies pay for eyeballs without caring or knowing that they advertisements are actually effective makes no sense. At the end of the day, the networks pay for the rights because they make money from the advertising and the advertisers make money from consumers buying their products.

Ok dude, that’s what I said. NFL fans have every right to think what they want and say what they want because they run the engine despite what you think. Gotta be boring to not think for yourself.

I get what you are saying but I’ll still disagree. Baseball is like soccer where they can spend based on revenue that’s not even. That said, the source of revenue in those sports is still the fan base like the NFL. Just because the NFL has more sharing (Yankees get way more TV revenue than the A’s) and rules on spending doesn’t change the fact that without NFL fans they’d have no revenue. That was my main argument to the people I was replying to at first.

Lol, so says Mr. Fly by pooing! Seems like you throw way more hissy fits and like this post you really don’t contribute anything other than complaining about other people’s posts!

Sorry, but you’re wrong. If you actually think P&G doesn’t know which marketing channels work and which ones don’t and they just advertise wherever, you are missing the boat. Heck, if you stream now the ads that you get are targeted based on what shows you watch. There is a ridiculous amount of data out there on you and all of us NFL fans. That’s why advertisers continue to pay outrageous amounts for spots during the Super Bowl. It’s a lot more than just eyeballs nowadays, but again NFL fans absolutely are at the start of the ball of money rolling from us to advertisers to networks to NFL to revenue sharing with players. It’s just that simple and it has nothing to do with if there is a salary cap or not. It is only about the fact that NFL fans do provide the money for franchises to do what they want. That’s the opposite of when people say it’s not our money because these NFL owners aren’t paying players out of their pockets, it’s coming from the NFL revenue sharing. Also, cherry picking one fan’s spend is far more nonsense than using an example of all NFL fans becoming Soccer fans. My example illustrates the fact that without fan’s spending/watching games, there is no revenue to share with players. The people I am replying to basically think you as a fan should just shut up and let the big boys do what they want and don’t criticize.

I really like Burns, he’s who I wanted at the draft. He’s played well for us and while I don’t think he’s on Bosa’s level that’s fine. We’ll be able to work around his deal regardless. The only reason I wanted the trade is because I am fairly certain both Rams 1sts will be top 10 picks, add in pick 36 in the draft a few months ago and two $15M per year FAs and I think if Fitterer is all that some people think, he should have been able to get 5 quality starters out of that with a good possibility that one of those 1st rounders would be as good or better than Burns by himself. The risk of losing Burns was worth that bounty. Didn’t do it so we better know that Burns will take a step into that elite tier. I would probably not have traded Bosa for that same deal because he has taken over games and led to wins with his play.

Do you not understand business? It is 100% true that the tube of Crest we buy is paying money to the NFL team because Crest advertises during a game. That’s literally how a capitalistic market works. WTF would P&G advertise on an NFL game if they weren’t getting a sales impact due to that advertising? WTF would CBS pay billions to show NFL games if they weren’t making a profit due to advertising dollars. Also, at you saying that it wouldn’t matter to owners of fans spent a million dollars or no dollars. If every NFL fan switched to be a soccer fan, the NFL would fold and there would be no revenue sharing because no one would pay for the game rights since no one would buy advertising time. I’m sorry but I can’t believe people don’t get that NFL fans contribute to revenue sharing by watching NFL games and buying things from companies who advertise. P&G wouldn’t exist if no one bought Tide or Crest or Cascade and people do because of advertising which directly pays the networks who pay the NFL.

Relax, saying the DPOY was better than Burns is a fact. I’m sure he will get that money. That’s our fault for turning down that huge trade and waiting until a monster deal was signed. Also, lol at disrespecting Jared Allen. We got him at the end of his career. Allen abused Jordan Gross in one game. He had 7 straight years with at least 11.5 sacks. Honestly, Allen coupe have made the HOF over Ware. They had almost identical totals over 12 seasons. Peppers was also in the same area stats wise but played 5 more years than Ware and Allen. Allen and Ware had more sacks per year but all three were really good. I’d say Allen and Peppers (and Ware) are closer than Burns and Bosa.

TFLs and QB hits were also bigger gaps when you do it per game. Bosa had 2.1 QB hits and 1.1 TFLs per game and Burns had 1.2 QB hits and 0.67 TFLs per game. Bosa was also one of the top tier guys against the run and missed 0 run tackles in 2022. https://www.49ers.com/news/nick-bosa-lands-top-tier-pff-top-32-edge-rusher-2023-ota-training-camp#:~:text=Here's what PFF writer Trevor,as a run defender)." Again, not a slight to Burns saying the DPOY last year was better than him. Some people in here get sensitive when our guys are critiqued but if Burns is getting $30M a year from us he needs to at a minimum be that guy who takes over games for us and is in the tier of elite guys.

Math is off a little here. The numbers are close but it’s 0.0177 sacks per snap for Bosa and 0.0125 sacks per snap for Burns. The higher number is better and Bosa is better by 42% A better way to look at it is number of snaps per sack like they do for HR hitters in ABs per HR. I think that’s what you were trying to say but used the opposite calculation. In this case the lower the number the better. Bosa is 1 sack per 56.5 snaps and Burns is 1 sack per 79.4 snaps.

Plus he left off QB hits which is dramatically different. Burns in more games has 77 and Bosa has 106 in less. That’s getting to the QB way more consistently. There also is no stat for run defense. Saying Bosa is better is not a slight on Burns. The biggest difference IMHO is that in the limited times where I’ve watched Bosa, I’ve seen him control a game with pressure and run stops. I’m still waiting to see that from Burns. Heck, in 2015, I remember seeing Short take over games where he just blew up the OL and caused issues even without getting stats. That’s what we need from Burns at the price we are going to pay.