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We are 1-12 and we aren’t the 49ers. If Tepper is a problem then benching Young gives him ammo that he needs more coaching. The more we play him and he sucks the better chance it will finally hit home that we let Young sink the battleship in 2024 and we move on. We don’t have the draft capital, nor the GM, to turn us around for 2024, so tank that MFer and get some talent in here.

Sorry, but anyone isn’t an answer. I still have yet to have one response that gave me a viable we want this guy to potentially be our go forward answer besides Mingo who has played a ton as a rookie. The OL blocking doesn’t need Dalton to review the replacement guys. There is no good future reason to not fully vet Young so we can move on. Benching him does nothing helpful for our future.

Again, who on offense do we actually need to evaluate and worry about improving? I can see Mingo, but the OL is evaluating regardless of Young or Dalton. I’m saying that I want to cut bait. I want Young to finish the year and start next year so we will cut bait. I don’t see any chance we use a high pick on a QB in 2024 so my number 1 priority for QB is to get on to the next guy. I don’t think Young will ever be there because his limits are real problems.

I don’t know why that is so hard to see. There is one player on offense who actually might have an impact in the future if he gets better. Mingo. There is no one else to evaluate to let Young tank us and make everyone fully realize we need a QB with our 2025 1st (crossing fingers there’s good ones).

We had an easy schedule last year and our QB play certainly got worse this year. We also traded away CMC and DJ Moore. We’ve also had a ton of OL injuries and our OL via Reich dropped off a cliff like the Colts did. We lost Shaq Thompson, Christensen and Corbett (basically) for the year. We lost Horn for most of the year as well. Look at the game where Horn didn’t play last year and Mike Evans killing us. The team last year was a more talented and healthier team. I said it often before this year started that we didn’t have any depth and that we were very healthy last year until the last week. Do you want Andy Dalton as our long term QB? If not, we need to get clear of Young and we can’t until his play has convinced the team to move on. The drop in Young theory doesn’t matter. It’s over and Tepper still owns the team.

Emotion aside, c’mon. This is our offense right now: Hurst, Thomas, Tremble at TE Hubbard and Sanders at RB Thielen, Chark, Mingo and TMJ at WR Iky, Bozeman and Moton still starting and a rotating bag of PS/released guys at both G spots. There is nothing to be proud of and people need to think rationally and not with emotion. Does Young suck? Yes. In an ideal world would I trade him for a sandwich and start over in 2024? Yes. Even so, you know the team is not giving up right now or even before 2024. The only way they cut bait early is to prove he’s not the guy. Benching him doesn’t do that during his rookie year. Swallow your pride (we were sucking this year anyway) and let Young reach the end of his leash.

Maybe unless it again shows he can’t survive the sacks, another ding on him long term. We have poo on offense and Dalton isn’t good. I don’t think Young is the answer already but there is no way the team is ready to throw in the towel. If they aren’t, I want him to start enough that they will throw in the towel.

Again, who on offense can’t be evaluated or is more important to evaluate than Young? Let’s get off the Young hate and be honest. Knowing he’s not the guy as soon as possible is one of the huge things this team needs. The other’s are draft talent, good coach and good GM. There is NO one else offense that comes close to those 4 things.

What do we have to evaluate on the rest of the offense? Hurst, Thielen, Sanders, Hubbard, Chark and TMJ are known entities and/or not long term options. The only person you could potentially say you want to evaluate is Mingo. Is he more important than knowing for sure, as soon as possible, that Young is not the answer? Not even close and Mingo has been getting a ton of minutes. You might say OL but OL can be evaluated with Young or Dalton. I don’t care who the QB is when someone flies by Iky for a sack. Sorry, but the team benefits more from Young starting and getting us close to a poo or get off the pot moment with him. No one else offense cannot be evaluated or is anywhere close to as important to evaluate.

It’s his rookie year as the number 1 pick. Hes got a longer leash than this season with a crappy OL and crappy WRs. I’m not saying you are incorrect but the team is not ready to cut bait. All I am saying is that the more he plays, the more his excuses go away. 2025 is where I think we’ll go QB and if we get a baby Jesus type miracle with a QB whisperer coach, we used 2024 draft to build up OL and WR/TEs.

WTF do people want Young benched? We aren’t a contender so WTF do we care if we go 1-16 or 4-13? We learn nothing from Dalton starting. Let Young finish the year and honestly, start 2024. We have pick 33. The chance of us getting a long term QB starter in the 2024 draft is minuscule. We aren’t that lucky. If you don’t believe in Young, you want him starting. If he can’t do the job, well after a second year the new coach and GM have the ammo to say QB in 2025. Thanks Young for getting us a top 3 pick, you’re the backup.

First, stud WRs go in the first. Players can do better than draft slot but you get a lot of Mingos and TMJ as well. Last year was the year to draft TEs. Kincaid went late first and La Porta was a few picks before Mingo. A bunch of other TEs went day two as well. Pick 33 would be ideal for a TE but it might not be BPA. Second, we should not have a targeted position. The pick has to be BPA, period. We have holes so anyone from the first that somehow dropped out of the 1st (not for legit reasons) should be on our radar. We got another crap draft because we weren’t smart enough to realize that Mingo wasn’t close to BPA and a solid/stud TE was BPA. Instead of trading up for a reach edge, we should have traded up to where Levis was picked and got La Porta. It would have cost us a 2024 3rd, basically same as what we spent to get DJ Johnson.

Probably. Not as much but Stroud wouldn’t fix the WRs or the OL or Sanders. We at least would have seen some nice throws to feel optimistic but there would still be people complaining that we gave up too much. Unfortunately, we are just so damn bad with so many holes and so far away from contending that this place is what it is now because we will be mired in losses for at least a couple years.

God I wish we were like the NBA with protected picks. It would have been great to put top 3 or 5 protection on it. We were basically allowed to fug up two #1 overall picks. Congrats Scott, you suck balls.

I’d let Bryce keep competing. He’s not the guy as far as I can tell but unless we can get a 1st for him from some idiot that thinks he can fit in, he’s our captain to get us the best draft position he can in 2024/2025. I also wouldn’t sign Higgins. What’s the point again? He’s fine as Chase’s #2 and I think he’s really good, but I don’t think he’s a WR1. I do agree on Iky. He’s another Fitterer fug up. He literally looks like Little out there with guys just running full speed around him. Had we gone Slater and just had better drafts in general we could have gone Garrett Wilson over Iky and had an offense with a real LT and Moore, Wilson and CMC. Not bad and maybe it would have kept us in the playoffs last year so we couldn’t trade up for Young so we take a stab at Levis instead. The biggest thing is getting a legit talent guy at GM who is drafting well. We are going to have several top of the draft sets of picks over the next few years so we need to hit. That’s really the only way to turn this poo around. Good drafting and a good coach.

Problem is that we did it one year too late and we are paying the price. All the we can’t trade Burns folks were wrong. Once Rhule was deemed done, we should have just said we need to suck out so we have a top 3 pick to get a QB. That simple. I would have let Rhule end the season but I would have gutted his team. Tell Fitterer to sell but get a good return. Trade Moore for pick 15 (GB offered their first). Trade Burns for two firsts and a 2nd. Save a ton of cap on both. After the Sweat and Young trades and 1-16, we may not get poo for Burns. Get a first for CMC or no trade. We were stupid to trade CMC to a struggling 49ers who were supposed to be good. We turned their team around in the process and fuged our picks we got in the trade. Get future picks so we could get their 2024 1st and 2nd not their 2023 2nd and 3rd… Right now, we’ve got a bare cupboard right now. Maybe Burns can net something but Horn and Brown won’t get enough to trade them.

SMH. I’m likely done in here for a while but Fitterer literally ended any chance of being competitive for a few years or even started us in a Browns/Lions decade+ run. I don’t care about Tepper being involved. It’s Fitterer many of us wanted sacked with Rhule because even with Rhule having the last say, Fitterer showed nothing good. All the people who said give him more rope should realize he destroyed this team. We have no coach, no GM, no QB, no Moore, no CMC, no TE, no LT, no interior OL, no extension or haul for Burns, no 2024 1st overall pick, no 2025 2nd and no depth/young talent from the past three drafts. @Carl Spackler was dead on, as were a bunch of us who followed the drafts and hated our results. We 100% could have had this team chock full of talent if we didn’t do the trades that Fitterer did and we picked the guys that us huddlers liked way more than who Fitterer actually drafted. To say that Fitterer has been an unmitigated disaster is the understatement of the decade.

Surprised to see him listed so much.

Preaching to the choir. We fuged up the rebuild royally. Your Lions example is something that one of the no tank/don’t trade Burns holdouts argued with me about. I used them as one of my examples of a team that got rid of their best player (Stafford) for picks and the team improved. Plenty more recent examples but the Lions got multiple firsts to help with their rebuild and it worked. Add in having some high picks like Sewell and Hutchinson, extra picks and some good drafting in day 2/3 like St. Brown and La Porta and you get talented quick. Instead of building up picks we gave up multiple firsts and seconds and thirds, etc. and also drafted poorly and are the worst team in the league by 2 games.

New England winning tonight pretty much locked the pick we traded to Chicago into the 1st overall. This is the most bleak it’s ever been. Young cost us Jalen Carter, CMC, Moore, Williams/Maye and 2 more 2nds. That’s a franchise killer unless a miracle happens. We are just so far away from talented enough to compete and that sucks balls. We need another miracle to get a real good coach/GM combo and it’s still going to take many years to get back or we become the Browns or Detroit and linger at the bottom for a decade+. I don’t think I can watch another whole season where my QB can’t even get the ball past the LOS to avoid a grounding penalty.

Who cares at this point. We wouldn’t go to training camp for at least a few years. No Cam, Luke, TD, Moore, CMC left to see. Do I really want to see our child QB? Imagine going from our canon armed Cam wow throws to what we have now?

I don’t really agree. I think this may have been like Marty’s love fest with Greg Little where he ignored the combine drills and the fact that he was a falling knife. Fitterer is on record that he and the scouts were on young the year before and the not throwing at the combine and measurable were all ignored. I think this article seems to point to a clear separation of GM and coach. Maybe Fitterer and others (Brown was the point guard QB guy) were able to convince everyone including Tepper that Younh would be great. Reich sure seemed high on Young right after the pick and Brown was talking about point guard QBs in February. I don’t see Tepper as the scout. I see him as an owner who wants to be involved. His frustration sure seems IMHO to feel like he got fleeced and Fitt/others fed him stuff like why isn’t Frank working to fix his footwork. Tepper’s screwed up royally but this all smells like Fitterer fuging up again and going to Tepper with other coaches to save his job by throwing Reich and all under the bus. Not saying Reich didn’t deserve to be fired either. It’s a mess but to me this article seems to scream a divide between Fitterer and Reich after poo went bad.

100% agree. His hiring is his downfall and unfortunately he likely listened to Hurney about Rhule and then Rhule about Fitterer and then Fitterer about Reich. If Fitterer hadn’t gutted the team with his trades and awful drafting, I’d be a little more optimistic but I’m just hoping we get a hiring correct for once and actually draft talent than a new coach can mold. It will be hard for Tepper to not be patient this time because you can’t expect playoffs any time soon, the talent level is that bad. Crossing my fingers that we make a good call on a new GM and coach.

Some people in here think the Teppers are some sort of masterminds calling plays, drafting the team and making every call. I think Tepper was fed a lot of bunk like Brown’s point guard analogy, which was probably to make DJ’s throw in not look so bad when GB offered pick 15 last year. He got fed that we were contenders, which was seen in the early Fitt and Reich pressers and that was also likely the story Fitt went with to CYA the fact that he said no to the Burns bounty. I think Tepper’s frustration comes not from his masterpiece of moves not working out but realizing that he got fed a lot of stories, all of which turned out to be wrong and now he’s the owner of the bottom dweller of the league without a 2024 #1 out overall pick to energize fans and the team. When you read all this poo, do you really think that Reich and others who felt the heat weren’t sending out blurbs to their media fans about Tepper to paint him as the devil? I still think Tepper’s been an idiot because he trusted in Marty, Rhule, Fitterer and Reich, but I definitely don’t think he’s this evil mastermind pushing all the buttons on poor Frank and Scott and this article seems to elude to the problem being the terrible results creating a lot of in fighting to CYA all the bad calls and bad performances.

Yep. I think everyone started preseason thinking we had an all star staff and a solid team like Reich saying we were playoff contenders and Fitterer saying the roster was better overall. Once preseason games hit and we looked terrible, the CYA stuff came out. Once we just started losing every week to be team #32, it doesn’t surprise me that this started happening. Reich and Fitterer knew they were on hot seats and so did the rest of the staff. Reich seemed to take the I don’t care just fire me and pay me approach and Fitterer appears to have taken the throw everyone else under the bus approach. I have no idea exactly what role Tepper played in all the moves but I can get why he was so pissed at the results and Reich obviously needed to go. I just hope we decide to get a legitimate GM in place with legit consulting/advice to get a good offensive mind in place and get an actual rebuild process in place. We can’t compete as we are now but we do need to know if Young has any chance. We fuged up not getting a bounty for Burns but at $30M per season he’s not part of a true rebuild. Unfortunately we already wasted our chance to get something real for Moore and CMC so we’re going to have to buckle down and draft well at the top of the round for a couple more years.