Loyalty4Life

Where's the guy from a few weeks back saying Derek Brown was a JAG and not worth his salary? What can Brown do for you? Throw offensive linemen like he's playing Cornhole. Beast.

From the 50 yard line, you say? Man, there are cameras everywhere these days. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iBZY75KLCwE

I don't know how he's won any games since he can't make NFL throws. Maybe that's why he has as many running TD's as he's gotten.

Sounds like he's mentally down and has to talk to a bunch of reporters asking him what the issue is. In any event I'm not ready to drag him into the street and shoot him yet. He just needs to keep his head down and keep working. Keep the main thing the main thing and stay off social media.

A good defensive showing can and should confuse and fluster a young QB. We confused him and pressure him which caused him to get worse and worse since he's a young QB who doesn't have the experience to overcome what we were doing. He was bad but our defense played very well. He had so many passes to the checkdown and to the sidelines it was easy to predict a pick like the one Jackson got was coming from a mile away. Only one game but I've always liked Evero even if the scheme to stop the run scares me because it seems like we have to hit every gap exactly right and it's hard to maintain that over time. Loved Moore. Coach trusts him and you can put him all over. Return punts, block, catch. He's a glue guy and exactly the type of a player a 4th or 5th guy on the depth chart has to be.

I don't care what he was billed as. That's media and fan bs. I completely agree that, like all QB's, Bryce has things he does very well, things he needs to improve and things he is horrible at. You're right, he can't just flick his wrist and throw it 60 yards. He will never throw a pass like Calab Williams did last week or big arm QB's can do. That's a limitation he does have but he can throw just fine, without having to put everything into it, ie the 43 yard throw to Tetairoa (which he dropped). There are plenty of very successful Qb's now and in the past who can't throw 60 yards off their back foot. No matter what video or stat is shared with you, you've shown you don't want or can't hear it. You'll find some excuse to say why that doesn't matter, over and over. If you really don't care I'd expect a lot less bitching about him. I agree with you that we should absolutely bring in competition for Bryce. I think not having a capable backup or competition is a mistake. Dalton can get you a game or two but it doesn't matter if you love or hate Bryce. There is nothing realistic behind him. At least, can both agree we love the Panthers and want the team to succeed?

So, you never make been wrong about a player? Could you tell Mike Jackson was going to be this good for us based on his play for Seattle? Are you batting 1000% in picking where players are drafted? My eyes told me that Bryce threw the ball into the stands on the 4th down inside the red zone against the Jags. It looked like a horrible mistake and he panicked but then in the press conference after the game Canales admitted that the receiver ran the wrong route and Bryce was throwing to the back pylon. Your eyes (and humans in general) are one of the very worst sources for reality. It's in our nature. Even my cousin Vinny knows that.

I was never comparing Brady to Bryce. I used his first year stat for YPA to show it's a stupid comparison because Brady only had 1 pass for 6 yards in his rookie year. It was a clear example of my point (at least for some people), that taking a single stat and using that to say player A was better than player B. Further, the original discussion was my claim that many people do expect Bryce to be more like Cam in terms of success for a 1st overall pick and that where a player is drafted ultimately doesn't matter. You must have forgotten to take your meds as you responded with YPA of Clausen and Ward which has nothing at all, whatsoever, to do with fans expectation of a player solely due to his draft slot. And yet, you continue to throw random stats to continue a separate conversation that doesn't exist. I go to great lengths to try to be accurate. That's is why it's always been my argument that Bryce with Canales as his head coach and actual weapons around him, should be given the time to grow and improve. If he succeeds and shows he can be a franchise QB then he'll earn an extension. If not, he won't be here and I have no issue with that. It's very possible that he will end up a career back up but no one should make that declaration after 13 games. Even if you don't agree, which is fine, I think you could actually understand why I feel that way. It's not a hard case to make that his first year included horrible coaching, oline, surrounding talent, defense, or run solid run game. No one should or could be accurately judged in those circumstances. That doesn't mean you might not turn out to be right and it doesn't mean I don't think Bryce had a ton of things to work on. He does but I'm not so myopic in my thinking that I also can't see what he has done well and what skills he brings to the position.

I hope Joe is right.

Says the kettle.

It's starting QB's. I should have been more clear. I was more referring to Clausen. I thought common sense would tell us that Cam Ward isn't a good comparison yet because he has only played 3 games. I mean, we can, but with a sample size that small it doesn't really tell us anything and definitely doesn't answer the question of if Ward is or will be a successful NFL QB.

Yes, but the point went easily over your head. Brady had 1 pass for 6 yards his rookie year. See how stupid the comparison in regards to using one stat to decide if a QB is good or not.

This is a stat graphic from the article. It's based entirely on that stretch of games last year called the 2024 season. https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/new-stat-panthers-qb-bryce-young-immense-talent-clearer The guy even posted a video of every throw over 20 yards. https://x.com/jagibbs_23/status/1923333859174748471 Since we have now educated ourselves on the actual number of games I think we can conclude it's not a "puff" piece. The first two games of his 3rd season do not replace all of the 2024 season unless you're just being flippant. We're talking about his deep accuracy only. Stay on topic. Even if we are talking about accuracy overall you're still full of poo. Tom Brady 64.3 for his career. Most consider 60% to be the median of average with good to very good being 65-70%. In college Bryce went 59%, 65% and 67%. As he continues to improve in the NFL I think he'll end up about the same trend line overall as he had in college. I agree on the 50/50 balls.

Comparing a random stat to another rookie QB has nothing to do with the current subject. Tom Brady had a 6.0 YPA his rookie year. I hope you're not using one stat to define success of a QB? It's not a problem to want him to do better based on where he was drafted although I still contend it doesn't matter after the fact. It doesn't matter if we're talking about Cam Newton, Tom Brady, Russel Wilson or any other QB. It makes little difference once you're in the NFL. Nobody gets a ring for where they were drafted. Higher draft picks will get a little more time in most cases as teams want to make sure they've exhausted all avenues before they admit a draft pick can't play. Other teams might pick them up thinking it wasn't the player but the organization and/or other coaches that caused the player not to succeed. It's people's expectations that are wrong. If we could go back and redo all the draft and put guys in the correct draft spot based on how well they played in the NFL, that would be nice. Then your argument would make some sense. People assume that where a player was drafted is a statement on how good that player is when the reality is there is a lot more luck than skill in drafting. If Coker turns into a pro bowl receiver and XL becomes a bust nobody cares except fans and the media. What we really should say is it's not too much to expect a player who has started at QB for a team over the last 2 years to be better than he currently shows. Don't compare 1st round picks. Compare starting QB's in the NFL.

Uh yeah...your point? We're talking about the expectations of a 1st overall pick because you said no one was asking Bryce to be Cam 2.0, aka a number 1 pick that comes out of the gate with a large amount of success. I disagreed and said people are. I have no idea what Jimmy Clausen has to do with that.

Sigh. Here we go again. https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/new-stat-panthers-qb-bryce-young-immense-talent-clearer I do agree Bryce has a lot of areas he needs to improve.

I think the defense is playing better this year because Evero finally has enough starter level talent to work with. Last year I remember reading an breakdown of his defense and why we physically didn't have the players or talent to stop the run and that what he was forced to do to compensate left us wide open for other attacks. He was damned it you do and damned if you don't. Also, I hate when people talk about average yards when you have a huge outlier run. Chop off the top and the bottom and that's the real average. You can run for 1 yard 9 times and 80 yards 1 time and get a really good average. I hope it continues.

I want fans to try and look at players the way a coach would. These guys made it to the NFL. There is talent and skill that got them there. Even past busts had skills, pros and cons, etc. If I read a scouting report that is nothing but positive or nothing but negative, that is a huge red flag. It's mind numbing what mountain some pick to die on like Bryce not having the "ability" to throw downfield. That he literally can't do it when there is video of him easily tossing balls between 40 and 50 yards. I've had too many arguments against things that are just not factual at all.

I don't know. I keep hearing people saying he needs to start playing a number 1 overall pick. Some hold him to the fan's standard of what a number 1 pick should be playing like and that after 3 years (even though it's only 2 years and 3 games), he should be producing as such. You call it coddling. I call it teaching and bringing a guy along who had a horrible start to his career and a clusteruck of a 1st year. If Canales is coddling him, then he should keep doing it because it's working and Bryce has been and is improving. You don't throw a guy into the deep end of the pool and watch him almost drown, only to throw him back in to see if he's learning to swim yet. Again, not saying he's earning a 2nd contract but don't act like a lot of people point out how Cam started his career as the 1st pick and how Bryce hasn't done that. That's ridiculous and you know it.

Love it. Prodiddy says we should check out what a former professional QB, Jake Delhomme, says about Bryce. He points out areas where the offense and Bryce need to be better. Completely agree. Then Cranky posts quotes from Jake that balances out the criticism with the positive things Bryce is doing. The very next post OldhamA asks why are we even listening to former professional QB's talk about Bryce since he works for the team. See, Jake even says he sucks. Here's the whole quote. Nevermind, don't listen to Jake. I know it's not that big a deal. I just find it funny what and how people use quotes or clips to support their arguments and how easy things can be taken out of context until you read or watch the entire thing. No disrespect meant to either guy.

How the hell did Canales devalue the run today? What were the calls you considered bad?

I wrote quite a few paragraphs to support my argument that we are not coddling Bryce. I've never said nor do I believe XL to be a bust. He needs to same chance to learn and grow. His first 16 starts did more to set him up for failure and is something I see as him having to overcome and not something to really judge him on. It came extremely close to ruining whatever career he ends up having. He has not played like a first round pick yet but has flashed numerous times the skill to be a franchise QB. Fan expectations for first round picks, especially at QB, are just not realistic. Cam was a unicorn.

I see what you did there. Made me laugh. Good one.

I agree we won't win a ton of games if our offense isn't a bigger part of the plan. We didn't have to or try to do that today. As Bryce continues to grow and get better we'll get more games from him and the offense carrying the load. Yes, he, Canales and the rest of the offense has to be much more consistent in producing points on offense. No question. As you say, we've seen that in spurts. Should a number 1 overall pick come out carrying a team? No, despite what fans think. It's rare for any young player to be born into the league fully formed. What I saw today was mistakes being corrected. I'm not going to try to gaslight you saying Bryce hasn't had his share of games we'd all like to forget but since his benching last year he has continued to get better and better. No, it hasn't been in a straight line but that's just not reality for anyone. Last year he had 9 picks in 14 games and 3 lost fumbles. This year through 3 games he has 3 picks and 2 lost fumbles. The amount of pass attempts show me a staff and a team who are not afraid to pass. They are not protecting Bryce more than any other team would protect their QB. The rate at which we threw downfield last year shows me the same thing. The number of potential game winning drives also point to the fact that we aren't limiting our passing attack. We routinely put the ball in Bryce's hands to get a crucial 3rd downs and 4th downs. The results are not always what we want but I don't see any lack of trust or faith in him. Tetairoa is tops or leading rookies in yards and catches. Unless he's throwing it to himself, I'd say we are getting him the ball without too much trouble. It would be even better if Tetairoa would put two hands on the ball when trying to catch those deep endzone shots. Bryce hasn't earned an extension yet and he might not but he and the team had a great game today. I'm going to enjoy watching all of them continue to grow together and hope those spurts start to get ironed out and this roller coaster has a few less dips. Keep pounding.

Pie to the whole team. Canales for a great gameplan. Great mix of run and pass and using play action to keep the defense off balance. Pie to Evero. Love seeing what Evero can do with more talent. I can't wait to watch the All-22 to see how much of Penix's play was him and how much was our D confusing him. Pie to Tetairoa for being Him in the making. Pie to Cade. I've been high on him since he filled in last year against the Eagles and Giants and held his own against some of the NFL's best interior defenses. Pie to Zavala. I thought you were a bust until today. I'm sorry. You proved me wrong. Good game. Pie to me cause having a slice sounds like a great way to celebrate this win.