LinvilleGorge

There are clinical studies linking hydroxychloroquine and heart issues dating back to at least 2013. This isn't a new finding in the least. You really have to stop just parroting right wing talking points without doing even the bare minimum of cross checking the info.

Do you really need this explained? Humans and cows share 80% of the same genome.

The only way I'll see that CNN or Fox sensational headline is if one of you post the link to it.

Very early use of hydroxychloroquine. Who knows, he very well could be onto something. What's certain is your motivation for latching onto his opinion. It's hilarious how you've made a judgement regarding my overall political philosophy based on one very specific issue, one that shouldn't be politicized but has been because it's 2020 in America and EVERYTHING must be politicized and it's because of winger nut jobs like yourself and the majority of the TB posters.

Continue your obsession then. Just don't pretend to be a reasonable, rational, and intelligent person. You're not interested in truthful information. You're just interested in narratives that fit your chosen worldviews and anyone who disagrees is wrong and so is their data. Tuning out major network media is not the same as being ignorant. Honestly, you're probably better off being ignorant than you are constantly slurping down information that reinforces your preexisting confirmation biases.

You call me a lost cause and yet here you are just continuing to harp about the media. I don't want to talk about the media. I don't care about their stance on this or anything else for that matter. I don't pay attention to it. I suggest you should too. It seems as if it's causing a borderline obsession issue with you. This is what I mean when I talk about political desperation. You believe so strongly that certain outlets are deeply incorrect and/or intentionally misleading that you're fully willing to buy into anything to the contrary, regardless of how idiotic the premise may be. It's confirmation bias to the extreme playing out in real time. Turn the stuff off. Tune it out.

Sorry man, going down conspiracy theory rabbit holes out of political desperation is the opposite of being a nuanced and independent thinker. I've said over and over in this thread that I do no watch any major network news. It's all heavily biased trash. The lock downs did work. Our curve was flattening. When we opened up too early and too recklessly that's when things skyrocketed again. It's not a surprise it's been worse in red states where the predominant messaging is that this is all a hoax and people were much less likely to take precautionary measures. These aren't theories or my personal opinions, it's what the data shows. No one has claimed that masks are 100% effective. They're not. But the data is very strong that they greatly reduce the spread of respiratory viruses like this one. This isn't new or even remotely controversial information. Stop being a fuging moron while thinking you're outsmarting people.

Hospitalized death rates are decreasing because they're getting better at treating this disease. A straw Trump grasped at didn't pan out. Shocking. The guy wouldn't constantly look like a moron if he actually listened to his expert advisers instead of Tucker Carlson.

Actual medical professionals aren't the media. I can't understand how you and some others can't comprehend this. What you guys are doing is the equivalent of talking trash during a football game when you're getting blown out 40 to nothing. The scoreboard doesn't lie. We're doing a terrible job compared to the rest of the developed world.

Some of y'all dumb as fug. For real. Sitting here trying to act like we're doing something right and mitigation efforts don't work when somehow the rest of the developed world has done a MUCH better job than we have.

Yeah, that's the better spot. The TB already has a COVID thread.

Yeah.

I've been saying this entire thread that a vaccine in early to mid-'21 was very possible. A lot of the groundwork for this vaccine was laid during the original SARS pandemic and we've seen more resources thrown at this vaccine effort than any previous recent vaccine effort. But there's a difference between available and widespread availability. There's not going to be widespread availability of a vaccine this year. Hopefully before cold/flu season of next year.

Agreed. You have to already know that anything Trump says is going to be belligerent, divisive, and passing the blame. I'm just glad he is FINALLY encouraging his supporters to wear masks.

Finally. Many months late, but finally

This really is day one of Stats 101 type stuff.

I especially like this picture. That face you make when you're going for your maskless photo op and the dude you're walking arm in arm with starts coughing.

I have no doubt that mask wearing percentage is much higher at the protests but let's be fair and post more than one pic. And let's definitely lose those masks when it's political photo op time.

The "but we're testing more now!" crowd doesn't understand math. Yeah, we are testing more now. We're also seeing a much higher percentage of positives. The increase in cases is NOT simply due to increased testing. We're also running a lot more tests right now than other countries because our active case count is rapidly accelerating while their case count is very low.

The rest of the world is certainly doing a far better job than us. They're really not comparable issues. The drug war is a supply/demand issue where we've really only made a legit effort on the supply side. As long as there's a demand and profit to be made, someone will figure out the supply side. That factor doesn't apply to a virus.

Absolutely.

It's why I avoid the major news outlets. They're all tremendously biased to cater to their audience. The problem is that people actually WANT their news tremendously biased. Very few people want to face the discomfort of a differing opinion. Confirmation bias is comforting. I just wish people would stop getting their pandemic news from these sources. I wish they'd stop getting ANY news from them, but if we could start with pandemic news I'd definitely take that.

They're equal in that they're gathering of large numbers of people when medical professionals are saying that is the #1 thing we need to be avoiding. I'm completely removing the sociopolitical motivations from the equations because the virus does too. Do you really think the pool party goers aren't going to look at the media praising the protests and say "Well, if they can gather together so can we!" Nothing happens in a vacuum. I understand the motivation of the protesters but it still doesn't make gathering in huge crowds during a pandemic a good idea.

I can't say the same. It has been a VERY politically motivated decision in my observation. I don't think anyone is cheering mask wearing. Yeah, it sucks. But honestly, it's a relatively minor inconvenience. Certainly less inconveniencing than a widespread pandemic.

Based on my local observations, the mask mandate definitely didn't make things worse. Prior to the mandate, locally mask wearing percentage was very low. Definitely well under 50%. The majority of people definitely weren't wearing masks. After the mandate it has been the opposite. Sure, it made the idiots scream louder but it has resulted in a net positive benefit.