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The one thing you can't do in that situation is sail the ball through the back of the endzone 20 feet above the ground. That's a guaranteed fail. Taking a sack trying to scramble around is considered the cardinal sin there but at least you're TRYING to do SOMETHING. Throwing the ball away in that situation is just unthinkable.

Too early to say. Let's talk again around Halloween and we should start having an idea.

I mean, Bryce could've just thrown it to wide open Sanders coming right across his face.

Jacoby Brissett is probably plenty good enough to get the W over this squad.

No he wouldn't. His shoulder is shot.

Except when it comes to the QB position. Everyone else evidently exists to carry the QB.

The record doesn't matter in preseason. It really doesn't matter whose camp bodies win out on the scoreboard. But the eye test certainly matters, especially when you're a bad team. If you're a good team you can kinda brush it off. But a bad team needing to change course and develop confidence? Going out there and having your starters and primary backups looking like unwashed ass is a big red flag.

Oh lord, of course he does. Yeah, you're probably right. If Renfrow was bigger he could've won an MMA fight with the DB and still caught that under thrown wounded duck and if he was 6'2" with a 40" vertical maybe he could've reeled in that ball that sailed over his head along the sideline. It's wild how that guy will crucify receivers but just give Bryce pass after pass. Maybe he sees himself in Bryce - a guy who has marginal at best NFL talent but could have maybe succeeded if he was surrounded by a cast of All-Pros.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was getting at above. There's no way to create a flawless statistical evaluation model but you gotta have some type of weighted system to account for the impact of truly great or disastrous plays. You can't just grade every play as equally important. Again, the weighting system WILL be flawed but you gotta try and you gotta keep tweaking it to get the grade to best reflect what you're seeing because that's ultimately the goal, right? To create a grading system that accurately reflect the overall play if the player. I mean, even if Bryce had hit on all his near misses and those drops had been caught, he would have STILL had a bad overall game given the impact of the disastrous plays but PFF's system allows those almost plays to help him while downplaying the impact of the disasters. The same is true on the opposite side for a QB who may not have played great overall but had a handful of brilliant plays that had a huge impact on the outcome. Cam had quite a few of those types of games.

I wonder who that QB School guy is gonna blame now that Thielen is gone? I'm betting that XL will become his new scapegoat as the sole reason why Bryce isn't shining.

Why keep a bandaid? If Bryce needs a 35 year old possession receiver to help him get this offense set and to catch 5 yard passes and get tackled immediately to not look like complete and utter ass then that kinda says all that needs to be said.

And have a pass rushing rotation of two 2nd round rookies and some low level FAs.

And hid under a hoodie so they wouldn't see that he was rocking a dad bod because he porked up to weigh in as heavy as possible. Again, hate the game don't hate the player. Hell, I bet Christian McCaffrey's eyeballs were floating he was so tanked full of water when he got on those scales.

You know, it's actually possible to appreciate Josh Allen without shitting on our QB GOAT. I mean, it's not even difficult. I sure wish our organization had built Cam an OL and put receivers around him like the Bills smartly did with Allen so that we could've seen what prime Cam could've done with a good offensive unit around him and I wish that the Panthers had an OC that wouldn't just rely on Cam's elite physical tools to carry his offense but alas...

Virtually all of us wanted him fired after last year. Would that have been unfair to him given the overall lack of talent and injuries? Maybe, but a lot of that subpar talent were guys the Panthers were bragging about Evero personally being involved with targeting in FA. At the end of the day, when you field a historically inept unit you gotta go.

I've never seen it before. Usually top prospects get nitpicked to death, especially QBs. You watch a guy out there throwing lasers between the numbers and they'll be like "that ball placement should've been a little more out front to lead the receiver" but with Bryce you watch a little guy floating wounded ducks to wide open receivers having to slow down to wait for the ball to get there and they act like teenage girls who just met Taylor Swift. It was utterly bizarre.

Definitely seems to be a lot of that out there and not just from PFF. I've never seen the entire football world be so collectively wrong about a prospect when the truth was always right there. They got so caught up in this "super processor football savant" storyline that they just completely ignored what their eyes should've been telling them. At the end of the day, if you simply don't have the physical ability to do it then nothing else matters.

You would've thought Cam trashing his throwing shoulder derailing his career while he still retained elite athleticism and vastly improved his completion percentage while being unable to push the ball down the field anymore would've quieted some of the haters down, but nope. They already had their narrative and they're sticking to it

One of the great all-time poo takes. Watching Cam succeed had to have been super painful for you. You're probably a happier "Panthers fan" watching us suck than you were sulking while Cam won us games.

I mean, it was but I get it. Top prospects not working out at the Combine has just become the norm. I miss the days of guys like Cam and Luke showing up and putting on a show but it is what it is. I would've loved to have seen what a guy like Travis Hunter runs but in today's environment you're never gonna find out. Hate the game, don't hate the player. The NFL is basically telling these guys they don't need to see them perform at the Combine so they're not. Since the NFL already doesn't care there's no upside for the prospect and only risk.

Talking about "alpha" and "beta" stuff is super small energy.

You would think being able to deliver a decent snap would be pretty key to a center's grade. Like I said, sometimes PFF gets too cute and leans into their system too hard. Maybe they need to tweak their system to weight things differently. I mean, if a center is out there dominating as a blocker but is sailing the ball over the QBs head multiple times, did he actually have a good game? PFF's system would probably say yes whole everyone watching the game would be screaming fug no. Same thing with Bryce. If you had multiple near misses and some drops that hurt your numbers PFF's system will take care of you. But if it's taking care of you there it should be killing you for missing on a walk in TD, making a terrible decision to force a throw on 3rd down when you could've easily jogged for a 1st down, throwing the ball through the back of the endzone on 4th down with a wide open crossing TE available, etc. I mean, when you have half a dozen disastrous plays it needs to reflect in a disastrous grade. Some "checks the box" plays don't make up for that. The only way I really see PFF as truly useful is comparing players at the same position over a large sample size, like a season. I feel like the larger the sample size the better chance all those things start to even out but at the end of the day, a PFF grade is just that - a PFF grade. It's not like it's some definitive thing. It's a cumulative score based on a formula based on the opinions of the people evaluating the plays. That's it, that's all. But they do need to tweak some things. Instead of watching a game and being like "wow, I thought that guy played like poo but turns out 'muh system' says he was decent" the reaction should be "I know that guy played like poo so that tells me 'muh system' needs some tweaking".

This is one of those times where PFF plays themselves trying to be cute and coming up with some "well, ackshually..." to justify a grade that just makes absolutely no sense to anyone watching the game. Bryce was unfiltered ass yesterday. There's just no defending it.

So it's nothing but hard work? That's bullshit. The Bills did a great job of identifying Allen as a naturally talented passer who had fixable mechanical flaws. Passing accuracy isn't something everyone can just work on and magically improve. I'm sure Josh Allen works his ass off but I'm also sure he's not literally the hardest worker in football history and I have never seen anyone improve so dramatically as a passer. Everyone deserves credit here. Allen for putting in the work and the Bills for identifying his flaws as fixable and helping him fix them.

What a fuging game. Damn, that was great.