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And most people are idiots, so... here we are with numbers spiking and people not taking even the most basic of precautions.

Go back a few pages and you'll find the answers you seek.

Well, he's set to hold a massive rally (including 17k indoors) in Tulsa, Oklahoma where cases are already currently spiking. It's pretty close to being a worst case scenario during a pandemic.

We don't know, so... LEEEEEEROY JEEEEEEEENKINS!!! it is, right? Damn, society is dumb. Starting to open back up is fine IMO. People refusing to wear masks or do even the most basic of prevention measures is really dumb and reckless though. Doing so as a political statement is the pinnacle of stupidity. There should be monuments built to commemorate such levels of stupidity being achieved.

Correlation doesn't equal causation. Reduced death rate could also indicate higher numbers of infection in less vulnerable populations and lower numbers of infection in more vulnerable populations.

Good. I hope the rumor is accurate

I said very early in this thread that I was told by someone with very good info that China was in a full blown pandemic by the time they reported to the WHO. They only reported once they knew for sure they couldn't contain it and it would escape their borders.

100% happened. Took less than a week of being back in NC.

Meanwhile, I got called an asshole in Ingles this afternoon. An old lady mocked my mask. I told her I'm not wearing it for me but to help people like you. She asked how so. I told her that the primary risk factors for severe illness from COVID are elderly age, obesity, high blood pressure, and heart disease. How many of those describe you? Hint: it was certainly two and likely all of the above. She called me an asshole. I simply replied yeah, I know. LOL!

If you're expecting a vaccine to be ready in time for the election to impact it's arrival by removing red tape, I think your timeline is way off on this

Technology can't replace trials. Technology can help in the development but trials are trials.

Im tellin' y'all... ain't nuthin but a librul conspirsy

Say what?

I think we need to start opening back up, but I think masks need to be required on a national level. They're remarkably effective at limiting the spread of this disease.

Imagine being so selfish and stupid that you think that refusing to wear a mask to protect others from a potentially deadly pandemic virus is infringing upon your freedom. It isn't about reopening. It's about refusing to take even the most basic least intrusive action to protect your neighbors because you're a selfish fuging asshole. It's a powerful stupidity.

NY definitely screwed up horribly and that's why I'm dumbfounded that they're trying to make Cuomo out to be some national hero. Having a brother who is one of those most prominent news anchors in the country is a big help in that endeavor.

All this is accurate, but it's the trial phase of vaccine development that takes the longest and there's really no way to responsibly speed up that process. A vaccine by next spring would still be producing a vaccine in a year and a half which is less than a third of the time the fastest vaccine has ever been developed. I think it's possible, but I think the people banking on a vaccine prior to the coming cold/flu season in the fall are just not being realistic.

A vaccine by next spring would still be unbelievably quick. Ebola currently holds the record and that's still 5 years.

I spent the last couple of days driving across the country from CO to NC. Mask wearing in CO ranges from near 100% in my town to above 50% most places. Mask wearing in Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and NC has been hovering very near zero.

The problem is that unless you're wearing a legit N95 respirator, your mask is only protecting others from you, not you from others. If you're out and about wearing your cloth mask or surgical mask while everyone else is wearing nothing, you're really not that much more protected than if you were also wearing nothing. It's why we need municipalities to pass legislation forcing mask wearing for awhile with steep fines for not doing so. People are just too damn dumb to listen to recommendations to wear them and way too many are in the elite dumbass category where they view not wearing a mask as some sort of political statement.

It's admittedly a controversial opinion, but I don't think LEOs should be able to unionize. Unlike many who are anti-cop, I think one of the biggest issues is the shitty pay. Starting cop pay sucks. When pay sucks, your talent pool is also likely going to suck. Sure, there are plenty who go into the profession for the right reasons, but there are way too many meatheads, power trippers, and sociopaths seeking a badge for all of the wrong reasons and the shallow talent pool allows many of them to slip through and get a badge and a gun. It's a problem. I'm not anti-cop as much as I am anti the current environment of policing. I very briefly sold equipment to police departments. VERY briefly. It basically confirmed all of my previous thoughts about police. American LEO departments need to be burned to the ground and completely rebuilt.

The behavior of asking the cop for my buddy to reach into the glove compartment to retrieve my insurance and registration, the cop saying yes, then his partner pulling a gun and screaming like a psycho? That behavior? Need them like the time a bear broke into my house and was between my wife and the exit, she called 911 in a panic and the news van beat the cops there (they took over an hour)? Or maybe that time tweakers broke into my truck while I was moving to Colorado and stole my wife's identify from the documents they stole. I gave the exact address. They did absolutely nothing. Months later they busted the theft ring due to an unrelated drug arrest. They blew out their shoulder patting their own backs. It was the exact address I'd given them months earlier. The tweakers were registering credit cards and shipping items straight to their rented residence. The cops thought there was some Oceans 11 stuff going on in Topeka. Anyway, I got a call out of the blue to let me know some of my belongings had been recovered with a description of said belongings and that they'd follow up to arrange shipping. A few days passed and I heard nothing so I called back. None of the items I described were in inventory and no record was ever taken of any such items. I'll say it again - fug the police. I have ZERO use for them. I'll be 38 years old this year and I've never once been in a situation where the presence of a police officer has improved the situation. Defund their asses. Maybe that's what we need to happen to break up the "brotherhood of the badge" that allows awful cops like the sociopath that killed the guy in Minneapolis to remain on the force because cops won't roll on other cops even when they know they work with sociopaths who abuse their power and will ultimately most likely end up seriously harming or outright murdering someone.

I've had guns pulled on me twice in my life. Both to by cops. fug 'em. I have zero use for them. Gathering I masses right now is still stupid and reckless.

Gathering in masses right now is stupid. Sorry that hurts you right in the feels, but a virus doesn't care about your feels nor your motivation to gather.

Are you watching Office Space right now? Because you definitely your Jump to Conclusions mat out. It might blow your mind, but you can actually support the cause of the protests while also realizing that gathering in masses right now is incredibly idiotic. Meanwhile, I sold a home. I'm not buying another one right now because the economic poo storm hasn't even happened yet.