JawnyBlaze

Yea I believe they would because I’m not just going off stats, I’m watching every throw, every decision, every play I can find. Their stats and wins might not be as impressive at a worse school but what you see them do on tape and videos would be. The school and talent around then only affects the assessment if all you’re doing is looking at stats and wins. No one on his team is helping Stroud throw perfect passes with pinpoint accuracy. It helps the stat sheet when he has great receivers who catch those passes, but if you watch the plays you can see them do things that the others can’t.

If they’re smart they would. But they’re not, so who knows.

I mean, he was a legit leading candidate for MVP that year and if the Eagles had not traded up and got him they wouldn’t have won their first ever Super Bowl. So I think they’d say it was worth it.

If Chicago stays at 1, then I’d be ok just moving up to 3 even though I really prefer Stroud to Young. That might save us a 1st, or at least a 2nd to potentially get Young instead of Stroud. But if it’s looking like Chicago will trade to another team taking a QB, that team needs to be us. The gap between Stroud/Young and Richardson/Levis is huge imo

Half of that 60% were pretty good at one point. A third of that 60% helped get their team to the Super Bowl

“his accuracy — orlack thereof — is borderline untenable at this point.” that’s why I don’t understand why people are so high on Levis. Accuracy is kind of important and hard to improve. And I don’t mean “completion %”, that’s fake accuracy. Levis doesn’t have good placement and throws it all over the place sometimes. But hey, hopefully one of those top few teams feels otherwise and drafts Levis high. “Tools” don’t take you very far if you don’t know how to use them.

Your eyeballs. Watch them play. Stats lie.

I’m good with that

Barno, that’s the guy I forgot his name. Yea I think both of them could work really well at OLB opposite Burns.

Good point, I totally forgot about him. He’s a beast and definitely physical enough for it

Alabama is good for 3-4 MLBs usually, they have anybody this year that’s good? I haven’t been following any positions in the draft except QB and a few pass catchers.

So usually 3-4 ILBs are bigger guys, think Ray Lewis. Chinn would be really small for that role, but we have numerous guys that fit the mold of OLB: Burns, Haynes, the 7th rd rookie from last year that’s really fast, his name escapes me atm. Shaq could work at MLB if he put on some weight, he has the frame for it I think, but his days here are numbered. I think a ~245 lbs MLB could be targeted in the mid rounds of the draft or sign someone in FA. Chinn could stay a SS and just play mostly run support since our MLBs could be a little on the smaller side for now. I think Brown and YGM will be put DEs for now with both eyes open looking for YGM’s replacement. We have a couple guys that can fill the NT role. I don’t think we’re far from having a complete 3-4 roster, maybe just a MLB and a second DE. Chinn can probably move up and play WLB in our 4-3 packages, with Burns moving back to DE and the other OLB going to the bench with a DB replacing him in the backfield.

im not a fan of Charles Robinson, but here’s his take on ranking arm strength among this year’s leading qb prospects. Stroud is at around the 5 minute mark, higher than young and duggan, same tier as hooker, below levis and richardson

His arm strength is very good, not elite. He can make every throw, but he can’t laser 35+ yards on a rope like Cam, Allen, Roethlesburger. He’s got more than enough for the deep ball though.

Fools! He can only make those reads because he’s on such a talented team he has 5 wide open receivers to choose from every play. Definitely doesn’t have anything to do with his first, second, etc read not being open. And the anticipation throws are just throwing the ball up and his teammates time their route so perfectly it just looks like anticipation.

Lol me too. I almost didn’t bother with my last reply for the same reason. I’m fine with leaving it at agree to disagree heh

I liked the last sentence in the op. Fix the trash officiating most importantly and also the field discrepancies and let’s elevate this sport to the next level. There needs to be a major overhaul to the whole officiating system and a new standard decided upon regarding fields. All teams need to be on an even playing field, literally and figuratively.

Williams and Maye will all of a sudden transform into “okay prospects” by this time next year and whoever is coming out in 2025 will be “a much better QB class”. Book it.

Richardson isn’t 1/10th the passer Cam was even coming out of college. Does he have Cam’s work ethic to improve? Maybe. He has Cam’s legs (maybe not Cam’s power, but he’s faster) but Cam could already throw the football well. Richardson not so much.

Surrounding talent/the team they play for doesn’t hide flaws if you’re actually paying attention to the QB. It only hides flaws if you’re just going off stats. Stroud does things that no amount of talent around him can influence. I’m not saying he’s perfect and can’t miss, every single player that’s drafted could bust. But Stroud (and to a lesser degree Young) has shown abilities and development that you just don’t see in the vast majority of QB prospects. Not Mahommes in college, not Lawrence in college, certainly not Fields or whatever other lazy comparison you want to make based on who they played for or what kind of talent they had around them.

There’s a three first round difference between Corral and Stroud. And I liked Corral a lot, but Stroud is that good. Stroud’s throws, decision making, development, everything is way ahead of Corral whether you’re comparing college performance or the limited amount we saw in preseason. I’ve watched all of the full snap count videos I could find on both (as well as every other prospect for the past few years) and Stroud is just incomparable. Absolutely worth three firsts.

Yea not only do I think we’re more well suited for 3-4 than some (including the woman that brought it up in the video) think, but also I haven’t seen Evero come out and say we’re fully transitioning to 3-4. It seems like assumption that it’s definitely happening, when Evero has experience with the 4-3 as well and we could just as easily use both or even stay 4-3 for the time being.

A slightly different way to look at it, here are my tiers for options. If you have different options to include, throw them in. I’m not including specific caveats for “if we can do it for this amount then this tier, if that amount then that tier”, just slotting then based on what the expected cost would be. #1 choice - Trade up for Stroud (roughly three 1sts and change probably) I’d be really happy - Trade up for Young (slightly less than for Stroud, maybe two 1sts and small change) - Trade back 9 a few spots, 12-15 range and take Richardson or Levis and sign Derek Carr to be the starter for a couple years I’d be ok with it - Sign Derek Carr with the plan to make him the permanent starter and either take Q. Johnston at 9 or trade back into the late teens and take the Notre Dame TE. I’m more ok with Carr as the long term option than Fields or Jackson for example primarily because of the cost. Would cost us no draft picks and we could continue to build the team around him, plus it’s not like he’s old and he is a good QB unlike the other retreads we’ve attempted. - Stay at 9 and take Levis or Richardson, throw them into the fire. We’re pretty good at OL and weapons, it wouldn’t be a David Carr situation. Spend our 2nds on a TE and maybe a third WR to make it an even easier transition. I wouldn’t like it, but I’ll wait and see - Trade #9 for Fields. Ugh, too much for a guy that isn’t a very good passer but he’s so young and our staff is so good maybe they can fix him. He is a dynamic player and hasn’t gotten a fair shake so far. Also wouldn’t take away from future draft picks so we could continue to build around him and he’s still on a rookie contract so if he just doesn’t work out then in two years we can take another swing at QB. I’d hate it - Trade for Jackson. Would take two+ 1sts AND a huge contract, so too expensive and handcuffs the future of the team. Probably injury prone, so all those picks and cap space could very likely ended up totally wasted on a guy sitting on the trainers table rather than playing. Yea he’s a former MVP, but he’s still just a good passer not a great one.

This video is two weeks old, I just happened across it just now. Some decent stuff though. They point out stuff we already have discussed here, but one thing that stuck out to me was when Chris Simms said that he’s heard some things from within the Colts organization that the QBs they cycled through weren’t exactly Reich’s preferences. One thing that made me roll my eyes was when they were assuming we’re switching straight to a 3-4 and how rough that’s going to be.