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I told you it was a vibe--I also said I could be wrong--he seemed disingenuous to me. Do not need your confirmation. Move on.

There is some top notched detective work going on in this thread..>Good stuff!

I see the math behind that and I think that is what I might do--but I see a few problems that may be only in my head or may not be deal breakers. 1. Fitterer said, if your guy is there, you go get him, but you better be sure about it. (paraphrased) Does that apply to all three of the QBs you mentioned? If so, yes, trade with the Cardinals and take AR-15 (likely). But if you love Stroud and Young, you have to move to #1. We know the Bears are going to trade out, and Stroud or Young is likely the target. (My guess? Indy). The Texans will take the other one, leaving AR-15 as the only QB on the board. 2. Do you think Reich and McCown have the experience, knowledge, and skill sets to coach a player like AR-15? I don't know--I would think they would be more comfortable with Young and then Stroud.

I should have been clear--they showed 2 other QBs (3 total) getting gunned at the combine--one was 61, another 60, and Levis was at 59. Secondly, please don't try to apply your standards for evaluating character and acceptable behavior to others. It is an arrogant and self-centered habit. I would not expect someone who can't reflect on his own behavior as one who is qualified to objectively assess others. I simply shared the vibe I got---and it was stated accordingly--Of course he was playing for the cameras--I go by the way others near him react to him--that is a tell--sometimes what is not said is more important that what is said. It is called, "reading the room," and sometimes you are right, and others you are wrong. If you got a different vibe, good for you.

Absolutely, and I think the offseason moves so far--beginning when they fired Rhule--reflect a lack of patience on Tepper's part--and I think the Rhule experiment embarrassed him because he was impulsive and stupid about it. No QB in the South right now gives any team an advantage--Personally, I think this is a great time to strike. Fitterer will be building around the Russell Wilson rookie contract that led to a dynasty theory--and in the day of paying QBs $50m per, he may be right. But you are right--they are not building right now, they are going to get a young QB, sign a vet for a season--and they are going after it now.

We have seen an offseason where Tepper opened his checkbook to bring in the best coaching staff in the NFL. Name another good QB in the NFC South? The time is now. Not only will we land the best QB in this draft, we keep our rivals from getting him as well. Atlanta picks before us. Do we really think Fitterer is going to be frugal or conservative? A: A big ol' bowl of NOPE.

Or we discover that the hype was just that--that players like Howell and Rattler were not first round locks after another season (or two) of college football--after we passed on a chance to get a QB.

You bring up a good point (unstated) and this is a good thread--I think they will give up the three firsts if that is what it takes. All factors point to "NOW" from front office, and Stroud can start very soon. We should have some room in free agency next year, so the loss of a first rounder is not that huge. 1. Young, Stroud, Levis, and Herndon are the "types" of QBs that Reich and McCown can relate to--not sure if they can coach up AR-15. For that reason alone, he may be off the table unless they do not move up and he is there at #9--that probably is not happening. 2. Young is a bit small, and without the Bama advantages, I am not sure he is any better at throwing than Stroud. 3. Stroud has the size and the ball placement to be more durable and just as effective as Young. To me, he gets the nod. 4. Levis' cannon was about average when put on the radar gun. Maybe the rest of him is overrated too. Not a fan. 5. Hooker is intriguing. I watched a lot of his videos, and he really does not scan the field that often. However, his measurables (size, hand size, etc) are pretty solid. Personally, as of right now from this perspective, I rate the QBs in terms of who I think this staff and GN will like: 1. Stroud A+ This is the type of QB who can start by mid season, if not sooner. I really like him--just needs to be protected. He throws a pretty ball that arrives on time at the right location--like Fed Ex. 2. Young A- His size is his only concern--and he is less mobile than Stroud as a runner (think RPOs, options, etc). 3. Richardson B+ (not AR-15's fault--just we are not set up to coach his style of play. Not ready to play much in 2023, and if you play him to early, you could ruin him) 4. Levis B- (Seems like a dick to me--but he has the skills, just not the resume. Could play sooner than AR-15, just not as well when he does) 5. Hooker C+ (Age and injury a slight concern, but not major. Not ready to play in 2023. Too many unknowns, but he could be ranked ahead of Levis if healthy to be evaluated now)

Are Reich and Mcown the right combo to develop a QB like AR-15 or are they likely to be better with Stroud or Young--or even Levis or Hooker?

The problem with QBs that are amazing athletes in terms of size, speed, athleticism, etc is that they have always been so--able to use their legs to bail out the QB when going through the progressions. This can cause the QB's brain to go into escape mode, knowing that he has the ability to turn a potential sack into a big gain--been doing it his entire life--much like Cam. But when the brain starts thinking run, the feet go into run mode, and then the eyes see an open receiver, and the arm goes into throw mode when the feet are in run mode--leaving the feet in bad position to be throwing a football accurately. So there is some compromise (usually with accuracy) with running QBs. Is that the case with AR? Probably, but I have not seen enough of his tape when throwing incomplete passes to watch his feet---all I have seen are the highlight reels. Yes, he was impressive at the combine, but there were some hints of accuracy issues when he was not under pressure at all, in tee shirts and shorts. Like Cam, Lamar Jackson, and others with less success, you sacrifice when you draft a running QB--career lengths are closer to a running back than a traditional QB, accuracy, and these QBs play with injury a lot. Just my sobering analysis.

When they showed the graphic of the most athletic QBs, it was not an impressive list of NFL QBs. We have to be very careful of falling in love with these "workout warriors," but I must admit, I would be elated if we drafted him--but I like the Stroud game and he is still my preference.

But if we had good TEs, would we have thrown it more?

Adam Thielen on NFL Network Combine coverage said he thought Aaron would probably retire.

exactly my sentiment. If we stayed at #9, I would be praying that we did not take Levis if he was on the board. He rubbed me the wrong way today. He seems to be a dangerous combination of Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson without the obvious talent.

Here is what we all know--- We are tired of retreads and attempting to save QBs from the bust bin. We have a top-notch staff, ready to complete NOW We have been very aggressive so far (which seems to be an indication that Tepper has finally lost his patience, a good thing) We will be drafting a QB, and we will be aggressive. No top QB will be there at #9, so we will be moving up. How far are we moving up? The CMC trade was made so we'd have draft capital to move up for a QB. We will also give up next year's first rounder for a QB---if we like a guy. We are going to trade with the Bears or the Cardinals, depending on how many QBs we like.

It really is hard to say with those three--I can see all three QBs atop a lot of boards---Levis just rubbed me the wrong way today. He is nothing special.

So are we going to talk to the Bears now, or should we wait 5 minutes....entered this before I read the thread--great minds, huh Jimmy?

I expect Levis and maybe young to fall.

He should be there day 3--according to the mocks I have seen.

Need to start looking in rounds 3-7 for the TE--and there will be some there. We are going to be sending our #9, #39, and 2024 first rounder to another team. I am not like some of you---mesmerized by the incredible workout warrior AP, but I would not be sad about it either--- I say we go after Stroud, get a TE (maybe in free agency) and make sure we develop an elite OL. Another WR too. But I loved the way Stroud was throwing the ball today--we just need to give him a clean pocket. AR would be better without a great OL, but he would miss some WRs too.

I noticed him as well--clean catcher, smooth. I am not a UNC homer (son a graduate, we pull for the heels, but not because we bought Wal-Mart shirts)--he stood out. I was like, "Who is that?" and then they said the name....

I like his release. he was under pressure a lot in KY--so I am not comparing him to young and stroud-- I worry that Levis is coming off like a jerk--can he be a good teammate? Does not seem humble or ready to learn--but this is a meat market. Herndon, to me, is starting to look better and better.

One of his sponsors has recently dropped out. Thought he was a Lion and a Wildcat? I am done with all this comedy for a while.

Favre was likeable. Rodgers is a penis. I have a friend that played in the NFL who knew him and said the late signing with the Jets and Vikings was because he hated camp. Not sure if that is common knowledge or not. He was Oscar worthy in one of my favorite movies, Something about Mary. He played himself--and he nailed it!

Quoting some recent article about interviews at the combine (The Colts did not interview Levis): Levis, 23, met with the Houston Texans (No. 2 pick), Carolina Panthers (No. 9) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (No. 19), according to ESPN's David Newton. All three teams are in desperate need of a top signal caller. He said his visit with the Panthers—and coaches Frank Reich and Josh McCown—went well.