MHS831

OLB/Edge or ILB?

If he has bad knees as Joe Person suggests, could this keep the OL from blowing up? We don't know--but I read this thread and did not arrive at the same conclusion you did.

I have to think that is the plan. Maybe round 3 or 4.

You rarely post, and this topic should not ignite sarcasm or taunting comments. Some posters (and they know who they are because I call them out--so they double down) make everything about the poster and not the post. They can click out of the thread and be done with it since their comments offer nothing to the facts of the conversation--but they feel compelled to do some cyber chest pounding. Probably not breast fed and sporting small penises. Mr. Scot made a good point about getting rid of a talent too soon over too late. Here we have to determine when too late is going to be. We need to keep developing Young so even if we aren't in the playoffs this year, we need his progression to continue and not have a setback. A lot of people would have conditionally agreed if we did not have so many more pressing needs--so I get it. Just ignore those scholars who troll here--they have blow holes on the tops of their heads and their necks get long and stiff when they watch porn---they have nothing to offer.

My point was simply, we do not know the extent of his knees. If they are shot, as Joe Person referenced after the season (referring to the reason he missed week 17) I am not seeing that as an asset or selling low--it is complicated, I know. But if you consider what we actually know, you are absolutely right.

Great points. Moton missed one game, I think? Week 17? It is only through rumor and hearsay that I even know about his knee issues--and that is from Person. How reliable is his intel?

Last year (going from memory) we were 4-5 in our last 9 games, with 2 close losses in that span to the Super Bowl teams. Our defense was abysmal during that time. So if we get the d overhauled (as we have already done to some degree, we think) and add a WR, could we be ready? I think so, depending on what the other teams do, but I do not fear the other teams. We are not on the level of the Lions, Vikings, Eagles, Commanders right now, but we can play with the NFC South. New Orleans has Rattler and Atlanta has Penix (not sold yet), and Tampa has streaky Baker. Could Bryce emerge as the best QB in the NFC south?

I think that had his knees been in good shape, he would have been extended by now. My opinion is based on the fact that they do not to seem very confident about his knees, so should we? On the other hand, all veterans are playing with some chronic injury of some sort, so how much weight do you give it? And in today's market, Moton's salary is not overblown. Unless your concern becomes a problem, you stay the course, I would think. But Moton will probably not be our tackle when we are a playoff team, so the time to start grooming his successor is probably this year.

Yeah--but I get the idea or thought and it is a fair discussion to have--but Moton is solid--he is not irreplaceable--no pro bowls or anything--just solid and a great locker room guy. I want to keep him--chemistry on the OL is important. The issue with Moton: "Taylor Moton, Carolina Panthers' right tackle, suffered a knee injury that led to him being listed as doubtful for the Week 17 game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, according to Yahoo Sports. The injury prevented him from participating in practice throughout the week. According to Sports Illustrated, Moton was also listed as inactive for the game. Joe Person from The Athletic, reported that there were concerns about the health of Moton's knees, potentially impacting his future with the team." (Interesting that Person mentioned "knees"--plural--and not a specific reference to the knee he injured. That suggests that Moton's knees are deteriorating, a problem some linemen have--so if the OP had included this in his original point, it might have solicited more favorable reactions. This is an issue we have to address in some way--and maybe signing BC was that) Since then, Person has stated that his opinion was that the Panthers would not extend Moton to get cap space, taking a "wait and see" approach to determining his future with the team.

The only way I would trade him is after the draft if we took a RT because he was the BPA--or if they know something about his knee--in fairness, a bad knee on a big man can be career ending--but if that is the case, nobody would trade for him. I worry that the panthers keep trading core veterans (McCaffery, Burns) and we become a farm team. However, instead of mocking the OP, state a countering opinion. His points: 1. Moton is old. 2. Moton is in the last year of a contract, 3. We are not going to the playoffs in 2025. Argue against those points instead of acting like the beacon of all that is football knowledge. Some folks on here are dickheads and they can't help being personal when they disagree with you--so instead of offerning a counterpoint using data, they make it personal using sarcasm. Insecure people do that on the internet. They don't think they are dickheads, so they keep doing it. It is in their DNA. Sorry you have to endure that to throw out an option---and I disagree unless BPA is a T in round 1. Ideally, I would take a T in the 3rd or 4th and develop them a season under Moton. We have BC, fwiw, but he too is on a one-year contract. That RT from BC (Tripoli, sp?) would be a good fit, imo, because he is a great pass pro guy, meh in the run game. The OL coaches deserve praise for what they did in 2024--Zavala, Mays, and Ekwonu were much improved. The way Zavala played at the end of the season for Hunt, I am surprised that teams are not trying to get him--

Wow. That is interesting. Yesterday it was announced that Shedeur would not be in the Green Room. I wonder if there are things we do not know that those directly involved know? If Dart went before Sanders, the cameras would be on Shedeur more than Dart. And then there is some reason Milroe thinks he needs to be in the Green Room. I cannot wait for April 24. It is not natural, but I look forward to it more and more every year. Love it.

It sure is.

this is going to sound flaky and corny--but not corn flaky--but some of us have been around kids in our professions to learn a lot about them. I used to think, "That kid needs discipline, so he needs detention or some form of punishment." I realized that it was not working in the long term--it was hurting. So I researched it for 20 years. To overly simplify it, I studied the trauma that kids grow up in that is beyond their control. I studied their developing brains and how they are often stunted by the trauma around the kids. I came to the conclusion--you don't fix the kid by trying to change him/her, you try to fix their environments. Bad or violent behavior is nearly always a reaction to the situation that surrounds the kid. It is more about random chance (circumstances he was born into) that some plan to be evil or mean. Yes, he was wrong to run from the cops and to argue with the family, and to be holding a firearm, etc. But suicide is usually the choice when the victim does not see another way out. I feel for him, his family, his victims and their families. I have a fair idea of what might have happened to cause this. If you are middle class, white, and surrounded by a loving, supportive family, judging him would be easy. If you are from a home that is victimized by bigotry, poverty, and violence--from a broken home characterized by alcohol and drug abuse and incarcerations--you live by a different code. It is tragic because in all likelihood, we failed him more than he failed us, but society does not think that way.

Yeah, it is not a professor thing, but that is the role where I noticed it. A CEO sitting in a brainstorming session tends to leave the room confirming what he thought instead of taking the best ideas and rethinking the position. So it might be more about how he is in the room more than if he is in the room.

I would love to know how many trades are set up in advance, conditionally.

It depends on needs and depth at a need position, but as a general rule, you are probably right. For example, he has not been mentioned in the top 10, but if the Raiders take Jeanty and a team like Dallas or da bears wants a top RB, moving up for Hampton would be wild, but it could happen. Dallas knows the Bears just had Hampton in for a visit and they want a RB....Jones might pull the trigger. All trades are unlikely, but the point is there are so many variables and teams that think one or two pieces is all they need to become immortal!!

I d be happy moving back into the 20s. The Rams are known to spend draft capital freely, and they are looking at their final year (prolly) w stafford, so I could see it worth it to move back to 26. I still say that Membou, Warren, or Jeanty could be the reason teams move up--and $$$$$$$$anders.

Great metaphor. I would be in the room, I would be watching the process and evaluating my staff and personnel. I might even have them explain their thinking to me, but I would do so in a way that did not make them think I was evaluating them or questioning their decisions--if that is even possible. As a college educator teaching a principal leadership program, I was constantly aware of the irony of expecting my students to follow my directions, dictate information I was telling them, and then completing my assignments. I implemented a lot of group work during my seminars, and I noticed that when I joined the group, they all made comments looking at me, as if seeking my approval. I wondered if it distorted the message they were really sending, converting it to something they felt that I wanted to hear. If I said nothing, they examined my face for clues or silent affirmation. Even though I gave them the green light to say whatever, I was the alpha, not the person speaking. It changed the dynamic. So I had them meet online in Zoom groups. I did not attend, but I had them record the session and include the link. I could tell there was a difference. They were more empowered, confident, and creative. Those were the future leaders I wanted to see. So If Tepper is going to participate, he needs to do so in a manner that does not have his employees second guessing or looking at his face for approval. He needs to realize that his leaders work best when they rely on their expertise and intuition instead of guessing what Tepper's might be. This is not Tepper's fault; it is human nature. Watch wolves or geese or any hierarchical power structure--if the leader is NOT making the decision, he or she is influencing it. So Tepper needs to be aware. With Fitterer, I got the impression that he was Tepper's puppet--always seeking a pat on the head. He was our worst GM ever. So yes, be part of it, but understand your role and do all that you can to empower the subordinates to act in ways they see fit instead of speculating what the Alpha might want. Does that make sense? It is a gray area that most might not think about.

Which suggests, perhaps, that the guilt was tearing him up. I don't know, but I have heard that people do not want to face the families of the victim and it can push them to this point. Again, can't speak for him, but I know how I might feel.

I am hoping he will be there in the second. If so, I see us taking him.

It is hard to see that much of a demand for him, but if one person buys into the hype, they could

so what are you saying--they give us #21, Watt, and 2026's second? On the surface, I do not see them doing it, but if the bridge has been burned in Pittsburgh, it would solve a personnel issue and a cap issue. How would we handle the salary, surely to be in the $40m range? We could cut Clowney and maybe Wonnum and save about $14m. But on the surface, I would do it.

Not effectively. His points were illogical, he lied about his purpose and my intent, --he accused me of trolling while trolling me, which indicates that he does not know what that term means. He assumed that I was attacking a player (we do that here all the time) by applying a lack of comprehension and bias to my use of an acronym that he did not understand. Most of his attacks were feeble attempts to save face because I exposed his hypocrisy and lack of knowledge. Nobody likes it when that happens, but to keep doubling down is painful to watch.

That "trolling nickname" is the one Sanders created for himself. Using a $ to represent a public figure in a discussion board is not trolling. What our moderator did here was a clear example of trolling. I am just going to block/ignore him because this is a recurrence. He had one job!

I think it is kind of a sweet spot for us--unless one of the big 3 drop to us. I would love Walker at 21, Mike Green (minus the character concerns) would be ideal. I don't even know why people do not like Pearce--but they seem to have red flagged him.