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He is going to be restructured for this year. They might extend him and add voidable years but he said he wanted to retire after this season as a Panther and would be amenable to working things out.

You have to like Washington's size which makes him a huge target. I would have no problem taking him at 39. Learning to run downfield 10 yards and turning around to catch a ball isn't exactly hard to master. And let's be honest with his size and speed if he gets loose in the secondary he is gone. Then again I like some of the other guys as well.

Agree. I thought Shenault had real potential on the few plays he was in. And TMJ came on strong when Darnold came in. TE is a huge need right now. Add another dynamic WR, and of course solve the QB issue and we could have a top 15 offense right away and eventually a top 10 offense to go along with our top 5 defense and number 1 special teams.

Darnold has been a backup and handled it very well. He is willing to compete like he did with Baker and let the best man win. When he didn't he did everything he could to help the starter succeed. So he would approach it the same way with a rookie. Better that than a vet to be the starter like Carr who likely wouldn't want to be there just as a mentor and a backup

Reich needs to have a winning season given Wilks went 6-6 with a revolving door of qbs and didn't get to pick his players or coaches like Reich did. So the days of starting a rookie and going 4-13 aren't going to cut it. We need a qb who can win now and allow any rookie to develop over time as has been traditionally the case. Mahomes benefitted greatly from sitting a year and watching Alex Smith for example. What vet is a better value??

Lots of people think he did pretty good. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/37267/sam-darnold-putting-panthers-himself-in-position-for-success-by-staying-patient%3fplatform=amp Again no one says we shouldn't draft a qb but the question is whether Darnold at say 15 million is a better value for example than Carr at 30 mil. And whether he can start until a younger guy can take over.. Should be interesting what they decide with Carr on Monday after seeing and interviewing the draft class.

It is one that has historically been used to compare qbs so it has legitimacy and long standing. You don't ignore it just because it doesn't fit your agenda.

And I will ignore you again. Tell me something new you haven't said over and over ad nauseum.

QBR is like judging defenses by total yards surrendered. There are surely other measures and some might be superior but it gives us a comparison level that has become standard in the NFL.

Not at all. He is the same player he has always been but with decent coaching and a good line his results were pretty good. The point is that while he isn't going to carry a team on his back he can be decent to good with support. What you did was break those six games into small segments and tried to draw conclusions from very limited data while I used composite score for the most part to show overall improvement. My response to the Pittsburgh game was in response to a specific complaint that he didn't do well when teams blitzed or used pressure. Pittsburgh was the most obvious game where pressure was applied and they took away the run game to make him pass. And his rating was 108. And like you see bad indicators I see improvement in areas like better timing and not rushing his steps, getting the ball out quicker, better movement in the pocket, doing a better job of reading defenses and adjusting to blitzes and pressure. These are the things that coaching impacts and he is clearly coachable and able to make adjustments based on practice. Those are the things I see which give me hope he can continue to.improve since the coaching has taken a big upturn.

You don't try something different just to do it differently. It has to be different and better. And I am sure we are considering lots of options including PJ

Your analysis is very limited unless you compare how many times it occurred. Since we went 4-2 and we were either leading in most games or getting blown out how many times were we up by 10 or tied or behind by 10. And if we were tied was it for 1 drive or a quarter. The idea of situational stats are useful if you have a big enough N to make it meaningful. Using 6 games is too few to make meaningful comparisons about specific situations which may have occurred once or twice. Better to.look at trends and big picture to avoid putting too much meaning into each specific event unless it is very significant. And if you are using 2021 or older then it was a different situation.

In the games we ran for less than 100 yards he actually did well outside of New Orleans. And yes that counts the least. The team had nothing to.play for and who exactly played well. So while it counts it is an outlier and not as telling as when we were making a run to the playoffs.

Why add the one game against the Saints once everything was decided. That wasn't a crucial game. The games that counted were his first five. Go back and recalculate your math. In 4 of those 5 his rating was over 100 and combined it was 105.

He isn't plan A. He is one of the options like Corral and a rookie are. If he ends up playing the best then he deserves to start. If other folks are better then he should sit.

What free agent QB had a better win percentage than .666 in 2022 who would be available cheaper than Darnold?

Yet that didn't happen in 2022 despite heavy rushes by teams like Pittsburgh. He had a passer rating of 108 and was 14 for 23 for 225 yards despite being under pressure and sacked 4 times. Apparently with even a ok OC he was able to not do that. Imagine how much better it will be with this staff.

You have an agenda about Darnold that is obvious so honestly your analysis is flawed by your bias. Any reasonable person clearly saw the improvement which has been acknowledged by most qb watchers. So responding back as I have in the past is wasted. You aren't going to change your mind so I won't bother. Just know your opinion is not shared by most knowledgeable observers.

If you look at Darnolds 2022 season it was night and day different from 2021. He moved better in the pocket, avoided pressure and kept looking downfield. His pre and post snap decision making was much improved. He managed games much better and even in the Saints game was able to generate offense at the end to score the winning field goal. With a competent staff he will only improve so he would be a good pickup if the money is right.

The conversation always seem to be either draft a rookie or bring in a vet. Fitteter said he was swinging for the fence which means he will do both. He will draft a qb likely in day 1 and will bring in a vet. Reich wants a winning season right away. So does Tepper and so do I. We have to do better than 7-10 next year and should. So we won't put all our eggs in 1 basket but take a few swings to ensure success.

Guaranteed money is all that matters. You can sign him for 7 years and dump him after 2 as long as the dead cap money isn't too high. The problem is qbs want everything guaranteed rather than incentive based which has always been the better way to boost performance.

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I am with you on the need for an edge rusher but am thinking more of an outside linebacker pass rusher like a Vonn Miller type maybe Miles Murphy or Anderson if they fall. Or Wilson if you want a project with great upside.

Fitterer said he would be swinging for the fences meaning he isn't going to be limited to a vet or a young gun. But there are practicalities. If we spend draft capital on a vet trade we won't have the ammunition to move up in the draft for a top 3 qb. And if we go for moving up in the draft any vet we get will be a free agent or we can trade for him relatively cheaply. Carr is a real possibility now that he has been released. But so is Darnold and a bunch others. Will we draft one? Absolutely we will have both young guys to develop and vets to start or mentor the young guys. That is what we did with coaches why not do the same with players as least to some extent.

You read the athletic so you have probably seen it but this was a good article and about Fangio's tilt six and secondary coverage. https://theathletic.com/3311028/2022/05/24/vic-fangio-defense-analysis?source=user-shared-article