musicman

While I agree with the post, a lot had to do with no CMC and not a good OL. We just didn't have the horses to do that last year, especially when they fired Brady.

What's cool is moving Brady to LG leaves him as the best option to back up Icky at LT. That's not bad. Just need another swing T as the 2nd back up.

When Tepper explained what went wrong last year, he was saying there was "extenuating circumstances". CMC, Horn and other injuries. Even Sam stepped up after a few games in the game he got hurt. Dallas exposed our weaknesses. Cam didn't have a chance as it was all emotion at that point and that wasn't enough. The only big thing I believe Rhule did wrong, he admitted, not using BC at LT sooner (or the way they brought him along). I even think Erving has the skills to be a good LT, maybe he wasn't coached up. And I think OC Brady didn't help us. He was auditioning for a HC job, not trying to build the Panthers. He should have at least 4 years as long as we don't tank in 2022. 8 or 9 wins and progress is all I need. I want 10 wins and a wild card.

What stands out is the twitch, the quick shoulder fake, change direction and throw. That's a Tom Brady quality. He redirects the coverage away from where he wants to go. That's big league and if Sam learned that, would have been much better. I see (and hope) for a future Russell Wilson. Both 3rd round picks!

Just had the round wrong.

Having Brady as a G and back up T is the best route. Draft a LT. Erving goes from starter to 3rd on the depth chart is a good move.

Barring major injuries, we are not picking in the top 10 next year. Maybe mid round, even with Sam if we get a LT and stay healthy. So, having a Malik or good QB to sit the year, or at least a 1/2 year is a benefit to Rhule this year. If he's not here next year, he don't care about losing an early pick in 2023. I'm just saying we walk away with a top LT and still get a QB later in the 1st or early 2nd, they win the PR move and improve the team. Better would be trading for Jimmy G or Baker and not trading the pick but after Teddy and Sam, I think they don't want a re-thread again. I'm NOT saying I want them to trade next years pick, I just think that could happen.

Trade next years 1st round pick to be get back in to this years 1st round.. IF... QB Malik is still available late in the round. Probably give up a 5th this year and a 3rd next year to get it. Then all positions of real need have been addresses. Then sign a decent DE/DL still available.

I would take a trade straight up, solves both teams problems for at least this year. NO picks. The money is the same. It still won't stop the Panthers for drafting a QB if the top 3 tackles are gone or dropping back and picking up Coral or Howell later on.

Both QBs will get their money. But each with a new team it might help defuse the bad mojo with their current teams. That's all I'm saying. And they can both be FAs next year.

I would take an even trade - Darnold for Mayfield. Darnold gets to back up Watson and they don't have to carry the baggage of a keeping him. Nobody will trade a pick for him. Why not? Not sold on Mayfield but he'll have something to prove.

I hope they take LT so if it's Jimmy G and Sam battling for the starting job, I'm OK with that.

the safe pick is LT. If they take a chance on a QB at 6 and it doesn't work, it would set the team back even further. If they take a solid LT, even dropping a couple of slots and get one, they are primed for a QB pick, trade or signing next year to put them over the hump and into the playoffs. That O-line would even make Sam look good this year.

I like this idea. We would have a good team going into next year anyway if this all works out.

Remember when the Giants drafted Erik Flowers, the huge LT. He became an average guard. I would take Cross and the blind side pass rush is more important then the run game from a LT (IMO). Maybe Neal was better because of his size in college and not pure talent (like Flowers).

What happens if they still get another solid O-lineman (draft or FA) and with all those weapons, Darnold plays decent as a game manager, along with that defense, and wins 10 games? Would you be mad?

Watson was not on the same level as R Wilson. Wilson has a SB and a clean image. I can see no players added to the offer.

With what money will both teams not be in cap hell this year or soon? Saints may have a better roster but they don't have the coach that put it all together. All has been a mess for years and don't have many good players and giving away picks too. Even though Carmichael called the plays for the Saints, the coach is what drove that team. They'll be good but when will their cap problems come to life?

Don't get DW4, draft a LT at 6 or drop down and pick up the Center (Lindenum?)Trade Robbie and get a 3rd or 4th. Sign Mariotta to compete with Sam. Sign Djax. Draft another O-line and D-line guy and lets role. We are NOT winning a SB in 2022 so build for 2023. Draft or sign your QB then. If we show real progress, maybe 9-10 wins (which I hope for), roll with Rhule one more year. If not, you've got a solid good young team, new HC and QB.

I'm of the mindset you get Mariotta to compete with Darnold and build a solid team and draft or sign someone next year (after Brady is gone). The cap money we'll have next year would be much better too.

Just like last year with SF, everybody thought they were taking Jones or Fields with the #3 pick. They then admitted it was perfect letting the speculation take over from what they wanted. Same thing here. I believe it's a smoke screen and we are not taking Watson. The quieter they are and the more people put out about us getting Watson makes me believe that it's not happening. The Eagles are the only team that can afford it and I wouldn't doubt it we then traded for Jalen Hurts (as he won't stay there with Watson).

You're right. I should have said why to build a team instead of getting Watson.

Watson in 2020 had over 4800 yards passing, 33 Tis, only 7 ints and a passer rating of 63.7 but won only 4 games. He played great but the team stunk. If Rhule feels he's on the hot seat, and with a possible suspension looming along with giving up already good young players, he (and we) truly can't expect 2022 to be a real good season? What happens if Watson is suspended 6 to 8 games? Losing future #1's and some good young players that starting showing signs of being solid players, IMO will weaken this team. If we had all the picks, like the Eagles, then you've got nothing to lose. Your team already went to the playoffs and you're loaded with picks. We don't have that, actually quite opposite. Unless they give up less then everybody's throwing out there, I can't see it being worth it. The safe move is get a great LT if you can't trade back a little and get a few more picks. Horn will elevate the back 7 but they should sign either Gilmore or Jackson. I also don't think losing Reddick will destroy us as Gross-Matos and Haynes are getting better (not fill his shoes) but we shouldn't have a massive drop off with Burns still in there. Brown, Fox, Nixon and even Hopkins. Need 1 good pick up to add to the mix. On offense, get a vet to compete with Darnold (like Jimmy G or Mariotta) but build the O-line through draft and FA. Then in 2023 we can solve our QB problem. Even Mahomes couldn't win the SB (with a loaded team) except having 2 bad tackles cost them the game. Who knows, maybe with a better O-line coach they will be better. I hope but what ever they do, I think Tepper and Rhule have learned a lot and will make better moves moving forward.

Buy (as in sign big name FAs) your way to the Super Bowl. With picks not always working out, is it better to get proven commodiaties?

With all the edge rushers in the draft and some being released, and some teams in cap trouble already, he may not get that. That's why, IMO the Panthers want to leave the communication open. If he doesn't get the money he wants, he would probably take lower to stay, even if it's a 2 year deal.