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sorry. i just went back and read again what you wrote and understood what you were saying and you are right as well. someone can be a light and brighten up a room. someone can also be a bad apple that spreads rot to the rest of the barrel. that is something that definitely needs to be watched for and guarded against.

yes. that's why i left off "good" in there. the culture you find yourself in weighs heavily into who you become. you can break out of it to become different, but that is a huge fight. being around successful people makes it easier to be successful. being around people who constantly struggles will likely mean that you struggle as well.

it's hurney so.....yeah.

yes. like most everything else in life, there are no guarantees. it depends on what nixon makes of the opportunity he has. but it also has a lot of truth to it. for better or worse, culture shapes character. what that shape actually becomes depends largely on the one whose character it is.

i think you're right. there are a lot who shouldn't have been drafted as early as they were. i think there were also a lot of others who just fell into the wrong situation. i just feel like these guys are not just saying all the right things, they are saying the right things because they are doing the right things. they've got it figured out and what they don't have figured out, they are on their way to figuring it out. i honestly can't think of a better situation for Darnold to be in to help him get it figured out and reach his potential. like i've said before, i don't think there are any guarantees. i do think that they will be putting everything into it. i also don't think that they are putting themselves into a hole that they can't climb out of with him. It's a safe bet in that he didn't cost too much and it won't cost too much to move on from him and move on to the next one. it's a safe bet, but it could net a pretty nice sized purse.

moving from tic tac toe to chess. i love it.

yeah, he's my favorite as well. but i do ike we are looking around a good bit. jimmy raye is an interesting candidate, though.

whoa....hadn't thought about that guy in a long time. he was pretty good at catching the ball and falling down.

i think we'll take them.

i have to admit to being a bit pissed off by all this. could you imagine what it would have been like if Cam had had access to all this a few years ago? when he was still young and in his developmental phase? continuity ftl. we should have moved on from hurney, rivera, and esp. shula long ago...and not gone after some relic like turner.

2 parts involved in overcoming. 1) mindset of the person trying to overcome (am i broken or am i growing?) 2) your environment (the people you are surrounded by and the people in your ear) i think Sammy has it good on both of those. People who have been watching him and talking to him talk about just how resilient and positive he is. He also has the best coaching he could have asked for in coming from that dumpster fire in New York/Jersey.

and i know it may seem like it, but brady is not immortal.

the question is, how long are they going to be able to keep that aging band together and just how effective will they be as time goes on?

personally, i hope that the bucs do everything exactly the same this year. easier to figure out and stop.

great example! i don't have a problem with continuity, though I'm more a fan of adaptation and evolution and continually trying to get better. if you're doing something right, keep doing it until it doesn't work anymore. if it's not working out so great, though....move on. in that context, continuity is overrated.

how many QBs followed in Brady's shoes over the years and became a dominant force themselves?

and continuity can allow a bad OL to continue being bad. Continuity can be a good thing. it can also be a bad thing. it depends on the context and what you are trying to continue. hurney and JR thrived on continuity....and that got us stuck. Tampa is going to depend on their ability to continue doing next year what they did last year. they found a formula that works. We rarely found something that worked...and when we did we either shot ourselves in the foot and dismantled everything (2014 vs 2015) or kept trying to do the the same thing over and over because it worked once upon a time even though it had ceased working (the whole fox era). typically our continuity resulted in a continuation of mediocrity.

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity. what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting. continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

not with all of them, and its not a great excuse. but it sure was true for me. i grew out of the young part. the dumb.... i'm still a work in progress.

Lol could be.

Of all pegs to hang your hat on, you pick this one....TB. I guess everyone needs a fan. Go get 'em, tiger. Have fun on the bronco boards.

Culture influences character.

I don't know that I'm a Ibe-liever yet, but I'm hopeful. Thanks for pointing this out. You might be onto something. I hope you are.

We worried about this Pitts pick, but then we got Horn. Fear = gone. Put either Chinn or horn on him, then that particular threat is neutralized. I mean they still have a couple other 'ok' WRs, but they had them before and they still picked 4th.