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that was a horrible decision....but i loved that reaction.

agreed. reich and fox were kind of similar in that i think their comfort zone with QBs were established vets. any rookie QB would have been outside that. i do think that he might have been more comfortable with stroud than young, but i also still think that we would have been stuck in a bad place. there was more than went wrong than with the QB. nothing worked and QB issues were one of many symptoms of the problem that we found ourselves in with reich. the whole thing was too much for him. not only did he get a QB outside of his comfort zone, he got unfamiliar assistants that came from unfamiliar schemes. he had no prior relationship with most coaches he had added to his staff. again, that staff was tepper's idea...get the dream staff with a billion years of experience and those who don't have a poo ton of experience were coaches that were considered up and comers for HC jobs. reich is a mild-mannered passive likeable kind of guy. he wasn't the big dominant personality that would be needed to handle that staff.

he might have eventually realized that bryce wasn't as much like a vet QB as he thought r was sold on and that he needed to be developed, but i don't think he had a real plan how to accomplish that or the ability to. i don't see him as having the desire to, either.

thin line between poetic and panic. the difference is the end result. guys caught wilson's throws thrown on a prayer while falling down. that's what made it looks so good. if he didn't have guys that could adjust to the ball and catch it, it would have looked a lot worse. he owes a lot to those receivers.

yeah there's a good few things that come into play. should BY have thrown better balls? yes, but he didn't. should BY have been in a better situation so he could throw better balls? yes, but he wasn't (thank play design and crappy blocking) should mingo have been able to make adjustments back to the ball and make things happen when throws were (much) less than perfect? yes. again, i'm hoping that XL can be that guy and that Brooks shows to be a solid dump off target. JT should be a good target as well.

most of us watching wilson hated playing against him. he was good, but a lot of what he did was luck. he'd get into trouble, scramble around, and then just toss the ball and hope that there was a guy there who could get to it and that happened a lot. i think there are parallels there for sure. bryce scrambles and will probably just end up tossing up the ball and hoping that someone will be there. i think XL can be one of those guys who make those adjustments to the ball the way Wilson's WRs did.

would you call Carroll's run first strategy foxball? seems like they had a lot more consistent success with it. Considering that it was Carroll's offense and Canales is a Carroll pupil, wouldn't it be considered Carollball? we aren't a team run by fox, rivera, or wilks. different coaches. different personnel.

deep ball or not, run game opens up passing game. works better with deep ball, but still can work.

yes, the run game opens up the passing game.

One of the things that we have heard is that Canales is going to be putting a heavy emphasis on the run and that has made more than a few frustrated because "it's a passing league" and "you don't draft a QB 1st overall to have a run heavy offense". This isn't to argue either of those points, just pointing out something interesting i saw. I heard a comment yesterday someone made talking about how Canales' offense is going to look like what was seen in Seattle and what did Seattle do? Ran...a lot. This isn't something that i really noticed much at the time and, frankly, i'm kind of surprised by this. I mean they had Russ who was at the time a very good and very dangerous QB, and they still ran a lot (too much by Russ' opinion, which is why he wanted out). Yeah, Russ wasn't drafted first overall, or even in the first round. But looking at what he was able to do probably should have been. I checked to see just how much they ran and, well...here it is. I looked at their rush vs pass attempts and where they were ranked within the league for each. For most of that time span i'd say they were pretty successful. after Russ got there they didn't have a losing season until 2021 and even then, that's been our ceiling for a while. During that whole time of their successes they were always in the bottom half in the league as far as passing attempts go. As a rushing team, i think their best seasons were when they were a rushing top heavy team. is this a strategy that most of us would choose? probably not, but it can work. it doesn't matter the reasoning for being rush heavy as long as they can make it work and i think with this OL and RB room i think we can. Will it be the most exciting style of play? i don't know. but if it can keep us in games and help us win, i'm all for it.

fantastic discussion up there with Eager. The guy is no doubt a stat nerd of the highest order, but he also understands the "it's just football" side of it. stats and analytics can help in making decisions, but he knows that there are moments of momentum that the coach just has to go with his gut and try to create or maintain momentum. i like that the guy isn't a BY bandwagoner. he wasn't hired because of that. i think that having him help prepare for games will help, but i think also having him as a resource for a new HC can really help in managing the game. Canales will have his football guys on the field and in his ear, but he will also have this other guy (assuming he's in the booth during games) feeding him some info that can help making crucial decisions throughout the game. not completely sure what his role will be, but i think the guy could be a huge asset for us, especially having a rookie HC.

i hope we don't need one.

He was probably too caught up in the idea of getting the gig that he couldn't say no and felt he could probably deal with it. Panthers had a plan and needed a HC with pro experience. He needed a job so he could be validated and was willing to step into a situation he didn't know would be too much for him. Clusterfug is the perfect description of it all, though. It was a disaster that no one could have seen coming much like Siefert. There is no reason to believe it would have gone so epically wrong. Some might have predicted failure for certain reasons, but no one could have seen this failing so badly. Anyone who says they call it only see failure in everything anyways. Much in the way some people always predict doom in every situation... eventually they will be right, but it's not because of anything in they actually knew. Reich wasn't what we thought he was. Bryce wasn't what we thought he was. That coaching staff wasn't what we thought it was. Nothing was as good as we hoped. I think we are far better set up for success this time, but that doesn't matter because thought we were set up for it last time. Will it work? Some may think they know. We'll just have to watch and hope it does.

Option 3....Reich didn't have a clue what to do, especially with a rookie QB. It wasn't that he wanted to draft a different QB. It's that he wanted a vet. I think he was in over his head even in Indy and barely managed to hang in because of the established QBs he had to work with. He knew what to do with vet QBs looking for a second chance because that's who he was as a pro. And the (limited) success he had as a player himself transferred on to his players. He didn't really have to reinvent much in Indy like he was going to have to do here. He was a likeable guy, but he wasn't enough as a leader as was needed for the cast of coaches and personalities he had here. To pull that off you'd need to be the biggest and strongest personality in the room and he never was. It was just a bad fit for a weak leader and head coach. I just don't think anyone except that for that cokehead in Indy knew just how weak Reich was.

Nice goal. I like it. I have another one for him.....be better than Olsen.

BY didn't get Reich fired. Reich got himself fired by being way in over his head and being the head coach of a coaching staff who did nothing to help him out. Of course they were all sold on the idea that BY was pro ready out of the gate by Fitt so they felt he didn't need to be developed (like every rookie should be). They had no clear vision. And no solid plan in place, nothing worked, and the coaching staff was too busy playing hunger games to be coaching so they panicked and did the same thing over and over. It was a complete clusterfug that we had a rookie QB who needed help thrown into the middle of.

yeah i watched a good bit of him. hard not to put out of my mind that he was having his way with a bunch of small school guys. guy could still be good.

he's supposedly running, but it's probably just straight line stuff...no cuts or anything. probably not much reason he couldn't do walk throughs, though.

i hate that. such a rough life he's had. so much promise coming into the league. was hoping that something would click for him.

How do you know they do and he doesn't? Anyways, it's all personal opinions and none of it has to be justified to anyone. And is there homerism at play? Maybe. And that's ok. But there's also the possible bias that because he was a panther pick and panthers suck at picking he must suck. And that's also ok. Does all of it (or any of it) jive with the way you see it? Maybe....maybe not. Does it have to? Nope

Say two guys buy a pair of 48" waist pants. One of them is already 45" waist. The other has a 32" waist. The guy with the 32" waist has more room to grow to fit into the really big pants.

Thank you cba

i can say with 100% certainty that he hasn't failed this year.