Talking Punt Returners

[Razeyfingers]

He was yet even "safer" than competent. He made sure others would be competent before the kick as well.

[Tom]

I posted in another thread that Ginn was actually middle of the pack on returns if you went by average.

As long as the person fielding punts can do so without muffing it completely, we should be ok.

 

He wasn't elite but he was certainly above average.

 

He was 9th in Yds/pr for players with at least 15 returns last year: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/returns.htm

 

He had the best season average of any Panther with more than 15 returns in a season:

 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1920&year_max=2014&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=car&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=punt_ret&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=punt_ret_yds_per_ret&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2014&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y

[Montsta]

He wasn't elite but he was certainly above average.

He was 9th in Yds/pr for players with at least 15 returns last year: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/returns.htm

He had the best season average of any Panther with more than 15 returns in a season:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1920&year_max=2014&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=car&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=punt_ret&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=punt_ret_yds_per_ret&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2014&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y

I was speaking returns in general, including kickoffs. You are right he was much better in punt returns than kick returns (I think 23rd?), but if you look at Ginn's PR average at 9th versus the guy at like 25th, I think the difference is only a couple of yards.

That's the point that I was trying to make that having a guy just hold on to the ball is fine with me, because outside of the elite return guys the difference in average per return wasn't all that significant in my opinion.

[ChinaPanther]

Cason did well in San Diego in 2010 returning punts. Sproles got injured and he took over punt returning duties for the last 4 games. 16.5 average per punt. Ginn in the Saints game made a big fair catch prior to our last drive. The Saints punter kicked it short and if it hit the ground the field position for that last drive would have been a lot worse. Hopefully Cason can be as good as Ginn.

[Mr. Scot]

so was Mark Jones...

Liked Jones a lot.

[Snake]

Cason did well in San Diego in 2010 returning punts. Sproles got injured and he took over punt returning duties for the last 4 games. 16.5 average per punt. Ginn in the Saints game made a big fair catch prior to our last drive. The Saints punter kicked it short and if it hit the ground the field position for that last drive would have been a lot worse. Hopefully Cason can be as good as Ginn.

Yea and Ginn would have has a return in the dome if there punter would not have yanked Ginns helmet off. Still pissed they did not eject him for that play.

[PantherPhann89]

I was surprised that Ginn didn't bring more production to our return game. I was always expecting him to break it for a TD every time he touched a return. I think the defenses respected that as well, that's why they played against his speed against our ST. They stayed on their assignments and didn't miss many assignments. I don't think that defenses respected Ginn's catching ability as much as his return ability, so he was given some cushion and had to prove that he can make the catch, and did.

[beastson]

Not expecting much from the return game. KR and PR

[fjblair]

Sure, Ginn didn't do anything spectacular as a returner last season, but he was competent. He didn't do anything stupid or muff any that remember. I fear that we will now have to hold our collective breathes again on punt returns again as we did in the Captain/Armanti Edwards era.

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Hold your breath for what? Neither of those guys had blocking for poo and didn't have the speed to do it on their own but they weren't noted for muffing/fumbling either.

[Kuech the Sneak]

I think Philly brown will take it